Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1152 Spoilers Discussion

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Nahhhh I think he’s talking about basic CoC and the “strength” of it

It’s confirmed that it scales up with the user so you can’t “train it” in the typical sense

I think you can train to learn new applications but you can’t make it stronger by spamming it

It grows alongside you

here's a good question then
does gaban mean luffy's haki isnt strong enough
or moreso the application of it isnt up to par.

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But Oda wouldn't let him struggle against fodder HKs like Sommers.

ofc he wouldnt
hes dead

 

[kekaro]

Wait so, we have Oda have a character saying directly that the other user isn't Sanji and y'all mfs think that he IS?

Are you perhaps the type of person that when you've been told "no" by a girl, you still insists? You learned from the best huh, Sanji the king of harassment.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

If Sanji fights Sommers during this arc, then I believe there is a high chance he will fight Mars and not Ju Peter.

I don't think Sanji will fight both members of the Shepherd Family.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro fights a centuar enemy this arc in Killingham, and then another centaur eos in Nusjuro

While Sanji could fight a Shepherd this arc and another one later

 

[Bad English]

[QUOTE="LANJI CUCKSMOKE, post: 6152036, member:

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ofc he wouldnt
hes dead[/QUOTE]
Haha sure

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Haha sure

I didnt say that to make you mad tbf

 

[vikas]

basically what we call ACOC is basic coc usage

makes sense because unlocking coc is just fodder control. its not a useful in real combat.

Even now its only seems useful against just certain individuals for some time.....A good DF would be better.

 

[Bad English]

I didnt say that to make you mad tbf

I'm not mad lol.

 

[Welkin]

I'm fine with Sabo having it, but that's about it.
Kuma had great will power, but will power isn't always a 1:1 with conqueror's haki. If anything, conqueror's haki is associated with unreasonable stubbornness (will power yes, but a bit different energy within the spectrum).

Issue with gifting it to randoms is that the two weakest advanced conqueror's users at the moment are Yamato and current Zoro, two characters who are approaching top tier.
It's an insane benchmark. It makes zero sense for some revo jobbers to have this ability. For context, Ivankov, 3rd strongest revo, was low-mid diff'd by Magellan.

Not to mention, Ivankov wouldn't have been sperging out about Luffy having it and reminiscing of Dragon, if conqueror's haki was common in RA

In all fairness Magellan absolutely demolished BB along with his entire crew. Mind you, this is a BB that’s stronger than he was when he scarred Shanks

I think considering them jobbers is where the problem arises. Kuma was a Warlord and Ivankov is the LHM of the World’s Most Wanted Man (likely similar in portrayal to Roger/WB by the time we see more of him)

Roger’s LHM has CoC and its advanced applications. I don’t think it’s a stretch for Dragon’s LHM to be the same

Roger - Dragon

Kuma - Rayleigh/Ivankov - Gaban

Young Protege (Shanks) - Sabo

All with ACoC. That’s why I said anything below them would be a bit much even for me

 

[Guiding_Thunder]

Zoro being stronger than Luffy was obvious after Hakai. Did Oda really have to spell it out for everyone?

 

[Welkin]

here's a good question then
does gaban mean luffy's haki isnt strong enough
or moreso the application of it isnt up to par.

90% chance it’s about technique rather than strength

It’s more than likely another “form” of conqueror’s that Luffy just doesn’t know yet

Which isn’t that crazy as he still doesn’t know observation killing or long range intimidation

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

shamrock prob cracked

 

[kekaro]

90% chance it’s about technique rather than strength

It’s more than likely another “form” of conqueror’s that Luffy just doesn’t know yet

Which isn’t that crazy as he still doesn’t know observation killing or long range intimidation

Kaido really was camping in wano and holding haki lectures without having even the most advanced techniques

 

[Sasparan]

Sanji is gonna unlock CoC end of this arc it seems. Makes sense story is coming to a close.

 

[Blax Blah]

It's okay lol Sanji will get PoL instead even though Gaban only mentioned Conq Haki

Would he get acoc too?

 

[nik87]

Why does Zoro need that new level of Haki though? I thought he was a swordsman, not a Hakiman. @nik87 @mly90

People are misinterpreting this as a >new level of haki.
It is not, aCoC can NOT be trained to be stronger. This is an established rule that people keep ignoring.
It is just a different application, particularly useful against those with regen but not useful as a general buff.

 

[Bad English]

This manga going down a death spiral if it starts gifting not only conqueror's haki, but also advanced version to whoever that plot wants.

It's fun for dudes here to meme on Yonko fans/Luffy fans/Zoro fans/admiral fans etc (I'm seeing it used for agendas all around the place in the thread), but I hope readers in good faith can acknowledge how terrible this is for OP.
Terrible decision from the author to make advanced conqueror's haki is a requirement to defeat gorosei and holy knights.

5 Gorosei+ 10HK+ Imu=16. So we basically need around 16 acoc users, it's not really much tbh.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Would he get acoc too?

I was being sarcastic and mocking @kekaro, I don't believe the Power of Love is a real power up
But yes he'll ger ACoC

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

To be fair I was waiting for this Haralds flashback it may tie up with mystery around Mother Caramel and his ties with World Govt .

14 years ago someone stole the Elbaf’s fruit I am curious if it’s man with burned scar .

 

[Blax Blah]

I was being sarcastic and mocking @kekaro, I don't believe the Power of Love is a real power up
But yes he'll ger ACoC

Yeah I'm not sure, I want the power of love to exist because it's very cool, but I was asking, if he gets conqueror's haki would he get advanced conqueror's haki too

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Scopper Gaban told sky splitter Luffy that he needs to upgrade his CoC to get on the level of hurting God's Knights.

That confirms what I have always said Sky Splitting is bitch boy ability and nothing impressive.
Zoro can easily split sky,.