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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
What changed lmao ☠️
Oh yeah the Oden flashback didnt do him any favors. But I dont think it killed his character entirely.
The Oden flashback definitely assassinated Whitebeard’s character completely. I never recovered.

The whole thing that made Whitebeard cool was how he was willing to challenge anyone and everyone who messed with his sons. Buggy made it clear early on, it’s the iron law of the sea that you don’t fuck with Whitebeard’s men. Whitebeard was willing to fight to the death before he let anything happen to his family.

But as it turns out, you can literally torture and kill Whitebeard’s men as Kaido did, and Whitebeard will just forget about it.

And the absolutely pathetic excuse we got in canon… “how many civilians would die if we fought Kaido?” We know for a goddamn fact that Kaido would have met Whitebeard on any uninhabited island of Whitebeard’s choosing to settle the score for Oden.

But nah, either Whitebeard is just a straight up coward, or he didn’t care enough about Oden to even think for five seconds on how to avenge him without endangering civilians. Either way, Oda took everything that made Whitebeard great and set it on fire.

And don’t even get me started about how Teach physically resembling Rocks is about to make dumbfuckbeard look even more retarded. Like how the fuck would you sail with Rox for years, sail with Teach for years, and then just never put two and two together. It just goes to show that Oda is not a talented writer at all, and the longer this series goes on, the more Oda just ruins everything.

Genuine question, all agenda aside, do you actually hate the man? Please respond seriously and drop your gimmick for once
All agenda aside, I don’t hate Saint Shanks necessarily, he is just a completely shallow, boring, and one dimensional character who serves absolutely no purpose in this manga. Like really, am I supposed to be excited that Luffy is going to reunite with Saint Shanks some day? That’s a genuine question. I have never cared one iota for the “relationship” between Saint Shanks and Luffy. Saint Shanks losing his arm for Luffy was nice, but to me the core appeal of OP was always the adventure and the relationships between the Straw Hats. I never, at any point in my life, even remotely cared to see Luffy and Saint Shanks reunite.

That’s partially why I think it would be so cool if one of the four emperors of the pirate world was a world government plant and was manipulating Luffy from the start. It would make such a boring fanservice character much more interesting.
 
All agenda aside, I don’t hate Saint Shanks necessarily, he is just a completely shallow, boring, and one dimensional character who serves absolutely no purpose in this manga. Like really, am I supposed to be excited that Luffy is going to reunite with Saint Shanks some day? That’s a genuine question. I have never cared one iota for the “relationship” between Saint Shanks and Luffy. Saint Shanks losing his arm for Luffy was nice, but to me the core appeal of OP was always the adventure and the relationships between the Straw Hats. I never, at any point in my life, even remotely cared to see Luffy and Saint Shanks reunite.

That’s partially why I think it would be so cool if one of the four emperors of the pirate world was a world government plant and was manipulating Luffy from the start. It would make such a boring fanservice character much more interesting.
I see. Thanks for giving your opinion. Do you think of him lower than you think of Kaido and Meme though or are those your least favourite yonkos?
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
The Oden flashback definitely assassinated Whitebeard’s character completely. I never recovered.

The whole thing that made Whitebeard cool was how he was willing to challenge anyone and everyone who messed with his sons. Buggy made it clear early on, it’s the iron law of the sea that you don’t fuck with Whitebeard’s men. Whitebeard was willing to fight to the death before he let anything happen to his family.

But as it turns out, you can literally torture and kill Whitebeard’s men as Kaido did, and Whitebeard will just forget about it.

And the absolutely pathetic excuse we got in canon… “how many civilians would die if we fought Kaido?” We know for a goddamn fact that Kaido would have met Whitebeard on any uninhabited island of Whitebeard’s choosing to settle the score for Oden.

But nah, either Whitebeard is just a straight up coward, or he didn’t care enough about Oden to even think for five seconds on how to avenge him without endangering civilians. Either way, Oda took everything that made Whitebeard great and set it on fire.

And don’t even get me started about how Teach physically resembling Rocks is about to make dumbfuckbeard look even more retarded. Like how the fuck would you sail with Rox for years, sail with Teach for years, and then just never put two and two together. It just goes to show that Oda is not a talented writer at all, and the longer this series goes on, the more Oda just ruins everything.



All agenda aside, I don’t hate Saint Shanks necessarily, he is just a completely shallow, boring, and one dimensional character who serves absolutely no purpose in this manga. Like really, am I supposed to be excited that Luffy is going to reunite with Saint Shanks some day? That’s a genuine question. I have never cared one iota for the “relationship” between Saint Shanks and Luffy. Saint Shanks losing his arm for Luffy was nice, but to me the core appeal of OP was always the adventure and the relationships between the Straw Hats. I never, at any point in my life, even remotely cared to see Luffy and Saint Shanks reunite.

That’s partially why I think it would be so cool if one of the four emperors of the pirate world was a world government plant and was manipulating Luffy from the start. It would make such a boring fanservice character much more interesting.
Evil Shanks wouldve been and would still be cool imo lol.

And yeah I agree with the rest, but lets not forget it also makes the WG as a whole dumb as fuck for not finding out about BB.
 
You know I've been thinking about it but the Yonko's now are very special or connected in way
blackbeard has been hunting luffy since Jaya
Shanks been hunting blackbeard ever since he got the Yami Yami no mi
Luffy wanted to see Shanks out at see
Buggy after shanks right?

Blackbeard being the son of Rocks (Pirate)
Shanks being a son of Garling (Celestial Dragon)
Luffy being a son of Dragon (Revolutionary)
Buggy the son of ...... (Marine?)
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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They......they literally couldn't even get past limbo.


Naruto barely stopped one in place with TSO and Magnet release but they was whooping his ass and that of his clones.


Sasuke was useless against them physically and needed the hand with the seal to be able to touch em a little.



Madara himself never got pressured, Chibaku tensei is one of his most fodder opening moves too and it required both perfect Susanoo and Naruto sacrificing multiple TSO just to stop it.

It's also something he can spam to death.


We ain't even gotten to the part of him having much greater firepower than both of them via the ten tails nor his Juubi Jin perfect Susanoo.



That shit was one sided as heck, nothing they were trying worked on Madara.
This sounds like a lot of excuses for the character who had to flee to get a second rinnegan & needed to retreat from Naruto/Sasuke.

limbos were not an issue


Madara only used Chibaku Tensei once so idk why you’re saying it’s a casual move for him. Sasuke/Naruto also treated it like nothing and were only worried about Infinite Tsukuyomi/Hitting Sasuke with a rasenshuriken respectively.

Take it this way—Madara who loved fighting 8 gates Gai for the challenge, decided to fly away and use Infinite Tsukuyomi instead of fighting these two lol. The battle junkie peaced out
 
- Xebec was pnly 15 years old when he killed an admiral, he said a voice in the head was calling him to do it
- He says he had no choice, the power was eaten by the wrong individual
- Xebec stole the Mythical Zoan Cerberus from the admiral by killing him, he found a way through his wife Marshal D Enile on how to make a power spawn on a nearby fruit upon the users death
 
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