Questions & Mysteries Is Joyboy Nika?
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I feel like it's almost confirmed that Joyboy and Nika are separate characters.
Vegapunk mentioned Joyboy in his message to the world in Chapter 1114, but never said anything about Nika.
The Giants all talk about worshiping the Sun God Nika but never mention anything about Joyboy.
Most of the time, the two characters aren't mentioned at the same time. It feels almost certain that they're two different characters that existed at two different times. Nika in the First World and Joyboy in the Second World/Void Century is the most likely scenario. I'd be VERY surprised if they turned out to be the same exact character at this point.
Well...actually...
Kaido's Devil Fruit is a "mythical" Dragon Fruit.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Uo_Uo_no_Mi,_Model:_Seiryu
And we know that some form of dragons existed in the One Piece World, long ago. Ryuma killed one in his "Monsters" one shot, which is canon to the main story. This was a LONG time before Vegapunk's experiments. So, there were naturally occuring dragons out in the wild on this world at one point.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shimotsuki_Ryuma
(There's also the Sennenryu or "Millennium Dragons" that we saw during the Warship Island Arc. And, sure, that's a anime-exclusive filler arc. But, it's technically the first appearance of a form of the Voice of All Things, and it was originally considered to be a possible movie plot. Personally, I think Oda might have had a bigger hand in this arc's plot than we originally suspected. It may or may not "count", depending on how you feel about these things. But, it's something to keep in mind.)
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Ryu
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Warship_Island_Arc
So, if dragons existed at one point, that means Kaido's Devil Fruit isn't based on something that's 100% fake. Which means the "Mythical" designation doesn't mean those creatures didn't exist. It's more "Mythical" like being rare and powerful. Possibly "Super Ancient" or some such. Existing so long ago that no one even remembers them existing.
But, it kind of depends on where Oda goes with this. The various "Mythical" Fruits COULD be based on things that actually existed in the past. Or it's possible they come from other planets, bringing more science fiction elements into this. Or it's possible that Oda could make it so that the Devil Fruits themselves made these creatures exist in real life. Kind of like how Aokiji and Akainu's battle on Punk Hazard changed it's environment, it's possible some of these Mythical Devil Fruits "Fully Awakened" and transformed the local wildlife to mimic animals that were only stories beforehand. The Devil Fruits could have turned fiction into reality.
But, there's one thing to keep in mind. Oda seems to have a ongoing theme that everything that's considered "fiction" in this World has some basis in reality. Not every story we hear is 100% true...but no story seems to be 100% false, either. The Mermaids, Germa 66, the Dragons, and even the One Piece were all considered to be things that were just made up fairy tales. Things no "reasonable adult" should believe. But, all of them have proven to have some basis in this world's reality. Every "lie" contains a grain of truth. Even Usopp's lies tend to become the truth, if given enough time.
So, personally, I feel it's pretty likely that some form of Nika existed. Maybe not as we think of him. And Nika...may not turn out to be "human". But, I think Nika will turn out to be something that existed. And probably had some form of mind and will of it's own. "Nika" might turn out to be a mass of sentient "Dream Energy" given form by humanity's wishes. But, as we've been told, the Nika Fruit seems to have some form of will of it's own. It seemed to be running away from the World Government. And that's probably going to turn out to be the literal truth.
I don't think the myth of Nika will turn out to be a total lie. It may not be the total historical truth. But, I think there's going to be a grain of truth in it. Nika likely existed. Nika likely still exists. And Nika may be pulling strings behind the scenes of the story as we speak, through Luffy. Time will tell.
Vegapunk mentioned Joyboy in his message to the world in Chapter 1114, but never said anything about Nika.
The Giants all talk about worshiping the Sun God Nika but never mention anything about Joyboy.
Most of the time, the two characters aren't mentioned at the same time. It feels almost certain that they're two different characters that existed at two different times. Nika in the First World and Joyboy in the Second World/Void Century is the most likely scenario. I'd be VERY surprised if they turned out to be the same exact character at this point.
Well...actually...
Kaido's Devil Fruit is a "mythical" Dragon Fruit.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Uo_Uo_no_Mi,_Model:_Seiryu
And we know that some form of dragons existed in the One Piece World, long ago. Ryuma killed one in his "Monsters" one shot, which is canon to the main story. This was a LONG time before Vegapunk's experiments. So, there were naturally occuring dragons out in the wild on this world at one point.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shimotsuki_Ryuma
(There's also the Sennenryu or "Millennium Dragons" that we saw during the Warship Island Arc. And, sure, that's a anime-exclusive filler arc. But, it's technically the first appearance of a form of the Voice of All Things, and it was originally considered to be a possible movie plot. Personally, I think Oda might have had a bigger hand in this arc's plot than we originally suspected. It may or may not "count", depending on how you feel about these things. But, it's something to keep in mind.)
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Ryu
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Warship_Island_Arc
So, if dragons existed at one point, that means Kaido's Devil Fruit isn't based on something that's 100% fake. Which means the "Mythical" designation doesn't mean those creatures didn't exist. It's more "Mythical" like being rare and powerful. Possibly "Super Ancient" or some such. Existing so long ago that no one even remembers them existing.
But, it kind of depends on where Oda goes with this. The various "Mythical" Fruits COULD be based on things that actually existed in the past. Or it's possible they come from other planets, bringing more science fiction elements into this. Or it's possible that Oda could make it so that the Devil Fruits themselves made these creatures exist in real life. Kind of like how Aokiji and Akainu's battle on Punk Hazard changed it's environment, it's possible some of these Mythical Devil Fruits "Fully Awakened" and transformed the local wildlife to mimic animals that were only stories beforehand. The Devil Fruits could have turned fiction into reality.
But, there's one thing to keep in mind. Oda seems to have a ongoing theme that everything that's considered "fiction" in this World has some basis in reality. Not every story we hear is 100% true...but no story seems to be 100% false, either. The Mermaids, Germa 66, the Dragons, and even the One Piece were all considered to be things that were just made up fairy tales. Things no "reasonable adult" should believe. But, all of them have proven to have some basis in this world's reality. Every "lie" contains a grain of truth. Even Usopp's lies tend to become the truth, if given enough time.
So, personally, I feel it's pretty likely that some form of Nika existed. Maybe not as we think of him. And Nika...may not turn out to be "human". But, I think Nika will turn out to be something that existed. And probably had some form of mind and will of it's own. "Nika" might turn out to be a mass of sentient "Dream Energy" given form by humanity's wishes. But, as we've been told, the Nika Fruit seems to have some form of will of it's own. It seemed to be running away from the World Government. And that's probably going to turn out to be the literal truth.
I don't think the myth of Nika will turn out to be a total lie. It may not be the total historical truth. But, I think there's going to be a grain of truth in it. Nika likely existed. Nika likely still exists. And Nika may be pulling strings behind the scenes of the story as we speak, through Luffy. Time will tell.
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I'm aware people think Nika, the Sun God, was real.
However, I am still unsure if any of the mythical types really existed before.
I'm also aware dragons existed, but I don't think magical ones did. Many dinosaurs are just labelled "dragons" in this story, too, but they're called ancient Zoans. I think regular and ancient Zoans existed, but mythical things probably never did.
If Nika really existed, shouldn't he just be called an Ancient Zoan type? Not mythical?
The problem is if one mythical type turns out to be real, then the probability of all of them being real gets higher. I don't like the idea of all the mythical types being real things.
However, I am still unsure if any of the mythical types really existed before.
I'm also aware dragons existed, but I don't think magical ones did. Many dinosaurs are just labelled "dragons" in this story, too, but they're called ancient Zoans. I think regular and ancient Zoans existed, but mythical things probably never did.
If Nika really existed, shouldn't he just be called an Ancient Zoan type? Not mythical?
The problem is if one mythical type turns out to be real, then the probability of all of them being real gets higher. I don't like the idea of all the mythical types being real things.
Well, they aren't the same person, but because zoan type fruits have wills and naturally end up with suitable owners, all of them can be thought of as suitable "incarnations" or at least people who could fall into the same role as the dancing god who laughs and frees people. So Joyboy and Luffy were both "chosen" or "vessels" of Nika, you could say.
It is also unclear as others have said what Nika is. But I still like the theory that he was a manga/cartoon character long long ago that maybe the children who were born in the horrible first world found hope in and dreamed of saving them. Following this, I think its more likely that Joyboy was a FAN of Nika than actually being Nika
It is also unclear as others have said what Nika is. But I still like the theory that he was a manga/cartoon character long long ago that maybe the children who were born in the horrible first world found hope in and dreamed of saving them. Following this, I think its more likely that Joyboy was a FAN of Nika than actually being Nika
My theory is the first “Nika” was a slave of the First World whose belief in a mythology about a Nika deity manifested in the Devil Fruit he consumed.
That same Fruit was then consumed by Joyboy of the Second World, who lost his battle. He is likely the “Nika” the Elders and Imu know.
Now, in the Third World, Luffy has become the third “Nika” as probably only the third person to awaken this Fruit since its origin.
That same Fruit was then consumed by Joyboy of the Second World, who lost his battle. He is likely the “Nika” the Elders and Imu know.
Now, in the Third World, Luffy has become the third “Nika” as probably only the third person to awaken this Fruit since its origin.
But that would raise the number of Nikas to four: mythological, 1st World, 2nd World, 3rd World.
I don't think there was a prior Nika-like figure, but that Nika himself was the one who rebelled against the 1st World oppressors using the oppressors' own powers: meaning the DFs.
I can see him either being a Prometheus-like figure: he stole the DF from the overlords & was the first human to eat one; or, Nika himself was a devil/alien who decided to side with the enslaved humans/early natives & topple his own people.
I think DFs and DF-powers are spread along a spectrum, from least to most free, where free is defined as "set-in stone", "defined".
So, BB's and Nika's fruits are the beginning and end of the DF possibilities.
Nika's could've been the first DF to emerge from the Void, thanks to Nika himself; there followed all other DFs; and then, at last, BB's was left, as a mini-recreation of the Void itself.
Once every DF is reabsorbed into BB's, then only the Dark fruit and the Nika (white) Fruit are left: each able to do anything they damn please, with the added bonus that the Dark fruit can also cancel out Nika's, since Nika was still a product of the Dark fruit, albeit the very first.
EOS, the Nika fruit could be the light that ultimately extinguishes the Dark fruit & the Void, eliminating DFs forever.
I don't think there was a prior Nika-like figure, but that Nika himself was the one who rebelled against the 1st World oppressors using the oppressors' own powers: meaning the DFs.
I can see him either being a Prometheus-like figure: he stole the DF from the overlords & was the first human to eat one; or, Nika himself was a devil/alien who decided to side with the enslaved humans/early natives & topple his own people.
I think DFs and DF-powers are spread along a spectrum, from least to most free, where free is defined as "set-in stone", "defined".
- On one end you have the Nika fruit, which allows the user to do anything freely; only imagination stops him;
- In-between you have the "X=X" DFs, like Paramecia and Logias, where the user can only use the DF for one specific action: i.e. gain weight, make everything explode, or produce fire;
- At the other end, you have the opposite of freedom, but whereas normal DFs are tied to a single rule/command, and where the fully-free DF is bound to no rule at all, this DF binds other DFs: it cancels anything and everything out.
So, BB's and Nika's fruits are the beginning and end of the DF possibilities.
Nika's could've been the first DF to emerge from the Void, thanks to Nika himself; there followed all other DFs; and then, at last, BB's was left, as a mini-recreation of the Void itself.
Once every DF is reabsorbed into BB's, then only the Dark fruit and the Nika (white) Fruit are left: each able to do anything they damn please, with the added bonus that the Dark fruit can also cancel out Nika's, since Nika was still a product of the Dark fruit, albeit the very first.
EOS, the Nika fruit could be the light that ultimately extinguishes the Dark fruit & the Void, eliminating DFs forever.
