General & Others If you were Harald, would you have joined Xebec?
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Hmm as a king I would need to think long term: does joining Xebec offer a possibility of centuries of well being for my people?
As a giant you see multiple human generations come and go in your lifetime.
Suppose Xebec overthrows the WG (we don't know if Harald knows about Imu, or if Xebec knows about Imu's powers) - how long can Xebec's rule last?
In Harald's place joining the WG is the safer option, which I would also choose all things considered.
Xebec is a brute, and judging by Hachinosu his world woud be total anarchy.
The WG, with all its faults we as readers are privy to, still works with certain rules and order that would be more beneficial than not to Elbaf.
As a giant you see multiple human generations come and go in your lifetime.
Suppose Xebec overthrows the WG (we don't know if Harald knows about Imu, or if Xebec knows about Imu's powers) - how long can Xebec's rule last?
In Harald's place joining the WG is the safer option, which I would also choose all things considered.
Xebec is a brute, and judging by Hachinosu his world woud be total anarchy.
The WG, with all its faults we as readers are privy to, still works with certain rules and order that would be more beneficial than not to Elbaf.
I like your take. I’d still join, considering that Harald will be around much longer than Xebec success would give him the opportunity to reshape everything. Long term not joining didn’t work because the giants of Elbaph still aren’t part of the WG and the WG are still corrupt.
That said, hindsight is 20/20 Harald couldn’t have known what we know.
Would you consider Xebec evil?
That said, hindsight is 20/20 Harald couldn’t have known what we know.
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Would you consider Xebec evil?
...No, I don't think so.
I think just stabbing my son (probably multiple times) to get a meeting with me, would probably put me off ever working with Rocks.
Rocks might end up being completely sincere, but he does kind of come across as a con-artist of a sort. There's just a lot of red flags surrounding Rocks that would put off a King from working with him directly. His "first mate" Whitebeard never looks happy to be around him. He's a pirate with a crew made up of gangsters, and cult leaders, and thieves. He's always going on about this "big score" he's planning.
The World Government isn't perfect. And changes need to be made. But, putting Rocks on the throne, instead? That'd sound like a recipe for disaster.
I do wonder if Rocks ever told Harald about Imu, though. Or even just his crew. Did Rocks keep that little nugget of information as a ace up his sleeve for later, or did he tell people about that?
Plus, Harald's pretty busy. Arguably, too busy to go off on a mad "get rich quick" scheme. He's trying to get his own house in order. Trying to change Elbaph's culture and negotiating peace treaties with other countries. Harald's time is better spent building his own country up, rather than trying to claim the World.
Plus...Harald's a little bit of a chicken, in some ways. I don't think he'd have the guts to actually rebel against the World Government in public. Harald let his people pressure him into marrying a woman he didn't love. He let them pressure him into spending all his time trying to build up the country so much that he kind of neglected both of his sons. Harald seems VERY susceptible to peer pressure, despite his rebellious days as a youngster. I don't think he'd be willing to rebel against the World Government. Especially since he seemed to have been working really hard to try to JOIN it, in order to get into the Reverie with the other kingdoms, in order to support trade relations.
So, no. I probably wouldn't have joined Rocks, even in Harald's shoes. Too much risk. Harald probably knew that if the King of Elbaph joined with a pirate, that would make his entire kingdom a target of the World Government. And that's just not worth it. Maybe that was a mistake. Maybe Rocks being the new King of the World would have been a improvement. I tend to doubt it. But, Rocks does seem more reasonable than I assumed he would be. But, given the information he had, I think choosing not to join Rocks was probably the right call.
I think just stabbing my son (probably multiple times) to get a meeting with me, would probably put me off ever working with Rocks.
Rocks might end up being completely sincere, but he does kind of come across as a con-artist of a sort. There's just a lot of red flags surrounding Rocks that would put off a King from working with him directly. His "first mate" Whitebeard never looks happy to be around him. He's a pirate with a crew made up of gangsters, and cult leaders, and thieves. He's always going on about this "big score" he's planning.
The World Government isn't perfect. And changes need to be made. But, putting Rocks on the throne, instead? That'd sound like a recipe for disaster.
I do wonder if Rocks ever told Harald about Imu, though. Or even just his crew. Did Rocks keep that little nugget of information as a ace up his sleeve for later, or did he tell people about that?
Plus, Harald's pretty busy. Arguably, too busy to go off on a mad "get rich quick" scheme. He's trying to get his own house in order. Trying to change Elbaph's culture and negotiating peace treaties with other countries. Harald's time is better spent building his own country up, rather than trying to claim the World.
Plus...Harald's a little bit of a chicken, in some ways. I don't think he'd have the guts to actually rebel against the World Government in public. Harald let his people pressure him into marrying a woman he didn't love. He let them pressure him into spending all his time trying to build up the country so much that he kind of neglected both of his sons. Harald seems VERY susceptible to peer pressure, despite his rebellious days as a youngster. I don't think he'd be willing to rebel against the World Government. Especially since he seemed to have been working really hard to try to JOIN it, in order to get into the Reverie with the other kingdoms, in order to support trade relations.
So, no. I probably wouldn't have joined Rocks, even in Harald's shoes. Too much risk. Harald probably knew that if the King of Elbaph joined with a pirate, that would make his entire kingdom a target of the World Government. And that's just not worth it. Maybe that was a mistake. Maybe Rocks being the new King of the World would have been a improvement. I tend to doubt it. But, Rocks does seem more reasonable than I assumed he would be. But, given the information he had, I think choosing not to join Rocks was probably the right call.
I believe Lokis view makes more sense considering his upbringing. I’d be an asshole too.
I completely forgot about him stabbing Loki. Yeah I might have tried to kill him for that.
Considering the info that Harald had I don’t think he made a bad choice. But as a reader I believe the WG is more corrupt than Xebec. I see Xebec as just wanting as much freedom as possible.
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I completely forgot about him stabbing Loki. Yeah I might have tried to kill him for that.
Considering the info that Harald had I don’t think he made a bad choice. But as a reader I believe the WG is more corrupt than Xebec. I see Xebec as just wanting as much freedom as possible.
If I was Harald I wouldn't have a crush for an ugly giant. I'd have a harem of giants. I wouldn't let Elders says shit about how to live my life or who I should marry. I'd raise my own country to be the best one in every aspect. Strongest army. Strongest economy. Most intelligent people. And would welcome people for every place of the world to fulfill that. Basically would turn Elbaf into Whole Cake Island but much more peaceful. Then would ally with countries that have the same desire of my country and protect them from World Governament. Ultimately would free the countries who wants to leave the World Governament and the ones ruled by tyrants finally achieving World Peace and Hunger Free World.
Nah Xebec wasn't it. He wasn't a typical yonko like WB or BM. Xebec was going to use him and Elbaph to wage war against WG. Giant's would have died plus there is a real possibility Xebec was going to lose(he did) so the aftermath would have been bad for Elbaph.
I really feel sorry for Harald, he wasn't going to win in this situation. The best scenario would have been for him to establish a parallel alliance of nations and create some sort of mutual protection pact. It's what nations rejected by WG should do.
I really feel sorry for Harald, he wasn't going to win in this situation. The best scenario would have been for him to establish a parallel alliance of nations and create some sort of mutual protection pact. It's what nations rejected by WG should do.
Joining his friend who doesn’t seem that bad of a guy so far. He has more honor than we've seen in any marine or WG agent so far.
And what's the point in joining the WG anyway at this point?
Harald is dead now and the WG wants giants to join them, so whether he joined or not didn’t matter that much in the end.
The choice is obvious and Harald appears to be another Oden, failing his people.
Well at least, Oda gave him a good powerlevel hype unlike Oden, and did it without affecting other character's portrayal.
And what's the point in joining the WG anyway at this point?
Harald is dead now and the WG wants giants to join them, so whether he joined or not didn’t matter that much in the end.
The choice is obvious and Harald appears to be another Oden, failing his people.
Well at least, Oda gave him a good powerlevel hype unlike Oden, and did it without affecting other character's portrayal.
Hell no. If I'm Herold, then I'm the king of the most powerful cuntry in the world, why would I join an unstable group of idiots? I'd strengthen my cuntry instead, build a giant fleet, hunt for DFs, make alliances, declare Elbaf as a free zone for all free folks to come and develop under the protection of the giants. Offer security assistance to weak poor countries that can't pay the heavenly tribute. Instead of a fixed sum of money that poor countries can't pay, I'd offer protection for only 1% of their GDP. I'd create a Military alliance as counter balance to the Marines and WG, I'd call Wano and Fishman to join, potentially growing even further. I'd start a trading company that would offer safe transportation of goods in one piece, which would bring a lot of revenue to the cuntry etc. There's so much I could do as the head of the most powerful cuntry, it's not my fault that one piece characters are retarded.
I'd create a training program for future warriors of this new military alliance in Elbaf. Every member state would be obligate to send their strongest worriers to Elbaf in order to learn Haki, receive DF powers. I would have fighting competitions and the strongest would become Admirals.
I'd avoid doing anything that would PROVOKE the world government, as matter of fact I would offer our assistance to them, to show that we are allies to them.
I'd create a training program for future warriors of this new military alliance in Elbaf. Every member state would be obligate to send their strongest worriers to Elbaf in order to learn Haki, receive DF powers. I would have fighting competitions and the strongest would become Admirals.
I'd avoid doing anything that would PROVOKE the world government, as matter of fact I would offer our assistance to them, to show that we are allies to them.
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