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Who’s the biggest fraud here ?


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I want to know what is the real story behind Sora

Was he a real good guy fighting against Evil Germa ? And we know Germa is was kinda evil

Or is it all WG propaganda and the guy was a bad guy irl and he fought and subdue past Germa ? Past Germa who was maybe in the distant past not that bad

Or a bit of both ?

The thing is if Sora is Sanji legend parallel he is likely a »good » guy : Joyboy Luffy legend parallel was « good » (opposed to Imu the WG etc. Ryuma for th Zoro is the same. So I don’t see Sanji parallel being a bad guy.

‘But to be fair neither Joyboy or Ryuma are gassed and used as propaganda by the WG and the Marines. It stinks
I feel like Sora is made up personification of the WG used as a propaganda piece to make Germa out to the devil incarnate. It is also a sorta a double parallel to Sora, Sanji’s mom who fought against Germa & Judge’s ideals to save her children. I can see why folks would wanna associate Sanji to a potential ancient figure which that Sora is based off but it doesn’t really fit as a Sanji parallel as the whole tech shit is not the direction Oda’s going with Sanji. Like @Dark Knight Sanji said above I feel like Sanji’s parallel is going to be buccaneer related and potential a ‘Warrior of Love’ of sorts as opposed to a science base.
 
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I feel like Sora is made up personification of the WG used as a propaganda piece to make Germa out to the devil incarnate. It is also a sorta a double parallel to Sora, Sanji’s mom who fought against Germa & Judge’s ideals to save her children. I can see why folks would wanna associate Sanji to a potential ancient figure which that Sora is based off but it doesn’t really fit as a Sanji parallel as the whole tech shit is not the direction Oda’s going with Sanji. Like @Dark Knight Sanji said above I feel like Sanji’s parallel is going to be buccaneer related and potential a ‘Warrior of Love’ of sorts as opposed to a scribe base.
Sanji parallel is the sun source in the first world
 
Interesting point on Garp. Till now I was skeptical about it potentially being a figure of speech but fair enuff.

Begs the question of why he’s able to use it considering it’s being attributed to the buccaneers but putting that aside, assuming Garp is both a PoL & CoC user it’s good prospects for Sanji’s potential going forward
Power of Love hasn't been attributed to Buccaneers only, but we do know they have a special ability in relation to their emotions.

I think if Sanji has anything related to that ability, it's converting his emotions into flames.

I’m not convinced about your theory about ‘CoC being the strongest of wills ting though as it makes absolutely no sense for Sanji to have it and not Luffy imo even more so if Garp has it. Also not convinced PoL is CoC and quite frankly I’m not a fan of the inflation of the two as it’d imply that all CoC users can do it. I know the justification is that it’s a special type of CoC hence why only Sanji can use it but that line of thought honestly doesn’t compute in my head especially on this topic of CoC. Doesn’t make any sense for Sanji to me capable of CoC+ alpha and Luffy and Zoro not.
You've misread. CoC and PoL overlap but are not one and the same. CoC is not a prerequisite for PoL, it just happens to correlate.

PoL is the "strongest" form of Haki because it is rooted in the strongest of wills, such that its manifestation can defy the laws of nature and physics.

I don't think having it allows a weaker Haki user with PoL to win a direct clash against a much stronger Haki user, but it probably will confer other advantages.

As for Luffy and Zoro, I don't think it's relevant that they don't have it. In addition to his DF, Luffy will continue to have more advanced forms of Haki across the board, and Zoro will continue to develop Asura, King of Hell and his weaponry.

Sanji having an exclusive Haki ability among them is entirely appropriate. Especially considering the fact Luffy not only has Future Vision already, but will likely learn Observation Killing as well.

Still hope you’re wrong on Garp having PoL as I’d rather prefer it be its own thing separate from Haki and also can’t help but feel Garp having it makes it a bit redundant.
I think you're too caught up in the name. Haki is just what this mostly mysterious power is called in most parts of the world.

Abilities such as the Voice of All Things, Shirahoshi's control over Sea Kings, Shyarly's fortune-telling - all of these and more are likely to be powered by the same source.

Power of Love will be no different.

@Rumble i once listed all the instances out where the phrase or love was mentioned i can remember:
I'll find the panels for them all at some point.

I want to know what is the real story behind Sora

Was he a real good guy fighting against Evil Germa ? And we know Germa is was kinda evil

Or is it all WG propaganda and the guy was a bad guy irl and he fought and subdue past Germa ? Past Germa who was maybe in the distant past not that bad

Or a bit of both ?

The thing is if Sora is Sanji legend parallel he is likely a »good » guy : Joyboy Luffy legend parallel was « good » (opposed to Imu the WG etc. Ryuma for th Zoro is the same. So I don’t see Sanji parallel being a bad guy.

‘But to be fair neither Joyboy or Ryuma are gassed and used as propaganda by the WG and the Marines. It stinks
I believe Sora was, essentially, the Garp of his time 300 years ago.

A hero of the Marines that defeated the Germa who were a far more persistent threat than their mere 66 days as an empire might suggest.

Propaganda is no doubt at the heart of much that survived into the modern day comics, but I like to think the Germa were in fact fucked up, and Sora was in fact a hero.

I like to think the Germa only then became members of the World Government.

I also like to think Sora was inducted to the Holy Knights as a Celestial Dragon, and Vinsmoke Sora was a child by concubine of a descendant that married her off to Judge, who found the match desirable for her genetics and lineage.

Regardless of his origin, it'd be dope if the Sora from 300 years ago still lived as a Holy Knight.
 
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PoL is to Sanji what BoaT is to Zoro. An application of Haki unique to them based on their unique personality that can nonetheless fit in the usual 3 haki categories but are a mix used at the same time. Notice how the characters themselves coined the term PoL/BoaT to describe what their ability feels to then.
We've seen this before eg in skypiea where they call CoO mantra or Wano where they call CoA Ryuo, VoaT should be another case of this, we still don't have a conclusive information on what it actually his and how it's related to haki but my guess is a mix of CoO+(ad)CoC.


I believe Sora was, essentially, the Garp of his time 300 years ago.

A hero of the Marines that defeated the Germa who were a far more persistent threat than their mere 66 days as an empire might suggest.

Propaganda is no doubt at the heart of much that survived into the modern day comics, but I like to think the Germa were in fact fucked up, and Sora was in fact a hero.
What if Germa of 300 years ago was like Rocks today?
OR they were somewhat like the warlords but turned rogue.
Endless possibilities
 
PoL is to Sanji what BoaT is to Zoro. An application of Haki unique to them based on their unique personality that can nonetheless fit in the usual 3 haki categories but are a mix used at the same time. Notice how the characters themselves coined the term PoL/BoaT to describe what their ability feels to then.
We've seen this before eg in skypiea where they call CoO mantra or Wano where they call CoA Ryuo, VoaT should be another case of this, we still don't have a conclusive information on what it actually his and how it's related to haki but my guess is a mix of CoO+(ad)CoC.
I get the whole PoL is a application/variation of Haki ting but again this panel makes that very unlikely imo

PoL is being attributed to the Buccaneers as a special trait of their race so it doesn't make sense for any rando to be able to use it except of course they can be tied to the Buccaneers in some way.

In Sanji's case he can easily be linked to the Buccaneers via his lineage factor. However it doesn't make sense for Otohime, Rogue etc. to be able to use it. Same applies to Garp except he is related to the Buccaneers in some way but that will then beget the question why Luffy cannot use it if it is hereditary in some way.

Yes in a general sense love for someone can tie to will power and allow people to do things you wouldn't ordinarily be able to do like endure pregnancy for months on end etc. but that is still within realms of logic even in our world. However, what Kuma did with Bonney or what Sanji did with Kiz far surpasses stuff like what Rogue did. Kuma was robbed of his very will yet he was still able to save Bonney through the Power of Love.
 
I get the whole PoL is a application/variation of Haki ting but again this panel makes that very unlikely imo

PoL is being attributed to the Buccaneers as a special trait of their race so it doesn't make sense for any rando to be able to use it except of course they can be tied to the Buccaneers in some way.

In Sanji's case he can easily be linked to the Buccaneers via his lineage factor. However it doesn't make sense for Otohime, Rogue etc. to be able to use it. Same applies to Garp except he is related to the Buccaneers in some way but that will then beget the question why Luffy cannot use it if it is hereditary in some way.

Yes in a general sense love for someone can tie to will power and allow people to do things you wouldn't ordinarily be able to do like endure pregnancy for months on end etc. but that is still within realms of logic even in our world. However, what Kuma did with Bonney or what Sanji did with Kiz far surpasses stuff like what Rogue did. Kuma was robbed of his very will yet he was still able to save Bonney through the Power of Love.
But didn't King have a special CoA like power relaed to being a Lunarian?
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