Character Discussion Best Era of Sanjis Character?
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No, reread the chapter again. The meltdown starts as she starts mocking Sanji, saying what a disgrace and loser he is, while Sanji stands in the rain with the bouquet of roses and picnic basket with wine lying on the floor and him starting crying.
Bro wanted to have a romantic dinner with a 16 year old chick and learned she taunts him.
But keep coping.
Bro wanted to have a romantic dinner with a 16 year old chick and learned she taunts him.
But keep coping.
We literally see the meltdown starting when Puddings explaining the murder… Sanjis expression doesn’t change throughout the chapter.
Again he’s crying cause literally he’s being told that everything was a waste, he’s going to die, his sister is going to die, he sacrificed everything and in the end got nothing.
You seriously think Sanjis crying over a girl he literally rejected earlier in the arc?
Again he’s crying cause literally he’s being told that everything was a waste, he’s going to die, his sister is going to die, he sacrificed everything and in the end got nothing.
You seriously think Sanjis crying over a girl he literally rejected earlier in the arc?
Tbf I quit after Wano. Its not worth it when Sanji's only fight post timeskip was against a retarded incompetent opponent, and the fight constantly kept on getting interrupted and had very poor CQC. I realised its not worth it since Oda doesnt want to draw Sanji in combat...he's forced to draw him in combat.
Truly what Oda wants is Sanji having one off panels and statements throughout arcs showing he's strong...just so he can keep up with characters that are actually strong and are shown to be like Zoro and Luffy.
Sanji's moveset doesnt interest him and Sanji isnt close to as popular as Zoro....so whats the point for him. Again if hes forced to give him something in a war, lets atleast make it funny, thats probably his thought process
Truly what Oda wants is Sanji having one off panels and statements throughout arcs showing he's strong...just so he can keep up with characters that are actually strong and are shown to be like Zoro and Luffy.
Sanji's moveset doesnt interest him and Sanji isnt close to as popular as Zoro....so whats the point for him. Again if hes forced to give him something in a war, lets atleast make it funny, thats probably his thought process
Lmfao this is the issue in the first place. This retard put his faith in Big Mom over Luffy. I won't ever forget that panel where he is talking to Big Mom like he's her little pet, all gullible happy and shit not being suspicious of her words at all, when she was giving him a fairy tale ending where everyone lives happily ever after. Pathetic.
Don't care to respond to your cope.
For anyone else who is curious of what I'm talking about
These are the 2 most pathetic pages I have ever read in One Piece. Sanji is acting like Big Mom’s obedient pet, smiling earnestly while being blatantly manipulated. This is the same moment that ultimately leads to his emotional breakdown later. The worst part? He genuinely believed a Pirate like Big Mom’s words without an ounce of skepticism. Really? Since when has Sanji-the SH known for being the most rational and cautious-been reduced to this level of gullibility? This scene feels like it was written for Chopper, not Sanji. No countermeasures, no backup plan, not even a shred of doubt? Just fully and genuinely buying into a pirates lies like that and crying over it?
The reality is Oda temporarily created a completely different one arc rental of a character for cheap drama. He wanted the Luffy vs. Sanji fight and the "iconic" crying in the rain moment, but to get there, he tossed who Sanji was out the window. What makes it even worse is Enies Lobby already happened, but this version of Sanji acts like that entire arc never happened, and that Luffy would even leave without him in the first place. What's even the point of experiences like that if they don't add anything to the story or characters? Don't even get me started on the "nicest guy" Sanji narrative Oda was trying to shove down our throats.
Oda had very specific melodramatic scenes in mind that he felt his audience would eat up, Oda wasn’t writing a coherent character true to his experiences and personality, he was chasing his own drama-bait money shots. Everything else got sacrificed for it, and it shows. Cheap stuff.
For anyone else who is curious of what I'm talking about
These are the 2 most pathetic pages I have ever read in One Piece. Sanji is acting like Big Mom’s obedient pet, smiling earnestly while being blatantly manipulated. This is the same moment that ultimately leads to his emotional breakdown later. The worst part? He genuinely believed a Pirate like Big Mom’s words without an ounce of skepticism. Really? Since when has Sanji-the SH known for being the most rational and cautious-been reduced to this level of gullibility? This scene feels like it was written for Chopper, not Sanji. No countermeasures, no backup plan, not even a shred of doubt? Just fully and genuinely buying into a pirates lies like that and crying over it?
The reality is Oda temporarily created a completely different one arc rental of a character for cheap drama. He wanted the Luffy vs. Sanji fight and the "iconic" crying in the rain moment, but to get there, he tossed who Sanji was out the window. What makes it even worse is Enies Lobby already happened, but this version of Sanji acts like that entire arc never happened, and that Luffy would even leave without him in the first place. What's even the point of experiences like that if they don't add anything to the story or characters? Don't even get me started on the "nicest guy" Sanji narrative Oda was trying to shove down our throats.
Oda had very specific melodramatic scenes in mind that he felt his audience would eat up, Oda wasn’t writing a coherent character true to his experiences and personality, he was chasing his own drama-bait money shots. Everything else got sacrificed for it, and it shows. Cheap stuff.
Don't care to respond to your cope.
For anyone else who is curious of what I'm talking about
These are the 2 most pathetic pages I have ever read in One Piece. Sanji is acting like Big Mom’s obedient pet, smiling earnestly while being blatantly manipulated. This is the same moment that ultimately leads to his emotional breakdown later. The worst part? He genuinely believed a Pirate like Big Mom’s words without an ounce of skepticism. Really? Since when has Sanji-the SH known for being the most rational and cautious-been reduced to this level of gullibility? This scene feels like it was written for Chopper, not Sanji. No countermeasures, no backup plan, not even a shred of doubt? Just fully and genuinely buying into a pirates lies like that and crying over it?
The reality is Oda temporarily created a completely different one arc rental of a character for cheap drama. He wanted the Luffy vs. Sanji fight and the "iconic" crying in the rain moment, but to get there, he tossed who Sanji was out the window. What makes it even worse is Enies Lobby already happened, but this version of Sanji acts like that entire arc never happened, and that Luffy would even leave without him in the first place. What's even the point of experiences like that if they don't add anything to the story? Don't even get me started on the "nicest guy" Sanji narrative Oda was trying to shove down our throats.
Oda had very specific melodramatic scenes in mind that he felt his audience would eat up, Oda wasn’t writing a coherent character true to his experiences and personality, he was chasing his own drama-bait money shots. Everything else got sacrificed for it, and it shows. Cheap stuff.
For anyone else who is curious of what I'm talking about
These are the 2 most pathetic pages I have ever read in One Piece. Sanji is acting like Big Mom’s obedient pet, smiling earnestly while being blatantly manipulated. This is the same moment that ultimately leads to his emotional breakdown later. The worst part? He genuinely believed a Pirate like Big Mom’s words without an ounce of skepticism. Really? Since when has Sanji-the SH known for being the most rational and cautious-been reduced to this level of gullibility? This scene feels like it was written for Chopper, not Sanji. No countermeasures, no backup plan, not even a shred of doubt? Just fully and genuinely buying into a pirates lies like that and crying over it?
The reality is Oda temporarily created a completely different one arc rental of a character for cheap drama. He wanted the Luffy vs. Sanji fight and the "iconic" crying in the rain moment, but to get there, he tossed who Sanji was out the window. What makes it even worse is Enies Lobby already happened, but this version of Sanji acts like that entire arc never happened, and that Luffy would even leave without him in the first place. What's even the point of experiences like that if they don't add anything to the story? Don't even get me started on the "nicest guy" Sanji narrative Oda was trying to shove down our throats.
Oda had very specific melodramatic scenes in mind that he felt his audience would eat up, Oda wasn’t writing a coherent character true to his experiences and personality, he was chasing his own drama-bait money shots. Everything else got sacrificed for it, and it shows. Cheap stuff.
One piece fans when Sanji believes a woman’s lies despite saying he’ll always believe a woman’s lies
Here's how Sanji should act:
Beats women repeatedly, even worse than he beats men
Doesn't care about threats like "I WILL behead your father and his crew and send you their heads in the mail if you disobey my orders", because he's too cool and nonchalant to care about saving the man who literally ate his own leg to help save him.
Lets the Germa genes take him over and turns into Judge 2.0, leaving the Straw Hats to become a cruel merciless machine that hurts people for the most miniscule reasons
This is Sanji perfected. Not sure what Oda is doing trying to make him this sensitive dude who loves and cherishes his friends and family and doesn't prey on the weak or treat women like shit despite the only two people from his biological family that actually love him being women
One piece fans when Sanji believes a woman’s lies despite saying he’ll always believe a woman’s lies
These aren’t harmless “gotcha” lies, this is life or death for him and his crew. Sanji was never portrayed as gullible, and you’re twisting a line that was clearly tied to Robin’s Enies Lobby situation. Even if he claims he’ll believe a woman’s words, the implication has always been that he’d sense something’s off but let it slide, not blindly trust a savage Yonko with zero caution given the consequences of it being untrue, to the point it leaves him in tears later (going to show you how genuine his response was, this isn't a "she's lying but I'll believe it" situation, he completely failed to pick up on it). Trying to apply that here is peak cope. Sanji became Chopper.
These aren’t harmless “gotcha” lies, this is life or death for him and his crew. Sanji was never portrayed as gullible, and you’re twisting a line that was clearly tied to Robin’s Enies Lobby situation. Even if he claims he’ll believe a woman’s words, the implication has always been that he’d sense something’s off but let it slide, not blindly trust a savage Yonko with zero caution given the consequences of it being untrue, to the point it leaves him in tears later (going to show you how genuine his response was, this isn't a "she's lying but I'll believe it" situation, he completely failed to pick up on it). Trying to apply that here is peak cope. Sanji became Chopper.
Sanjis literally constantly stated and shown to have a blind spot for women… that’s been a thing since Arlong Park? It was highlighted multiple times through the grand line pre and post timeskip and you’re calling it bad characterization now despite it being fully in character?
You’re talking about big Mom like she’s just a yonko but to Sanji she’s literally a woman first. As such his character flaws related to women were very prominent but they were all fully in character.
Again he doesn’t doubt her because he doesn’t doubt women. If you don’t like Sanji fair enough but let’s not act like WCI Sanji was at all out of character.
No he never said that? Oda himself highlights that Sanji still saw her as a woman in the end when he answered the question about Sanji blocking thunderbolt with a kick (probably what you’re referring to)
Basically oda said she’s a monster but still a woman. As such there’s no way for Sanji to block her attack except by parrying it. Hence why he used a kick.
Basically oda said she’s a monster but still a woman. As such there’s no way for Sanji to block her attack except by parrying it. Hence why he used a kick.