Future Events Irrelevant Background Characters & Sons That Matter

Who is stronger?

  • Fathers

  • Sons(at peak)


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
Warning: Spitting these facts might trigger some people, for example, those who hold the Pirate King and alike on a pedestal.

Since the dawn of time, I have been saying that Roger and Whitebeard are not what people expected them to be.
They were never individually the strongest characters in this story, people have completely misread their purpose...

Every evidence of other characters being stronger than those two was met with strong opposition, giving birth to limitless copium.
Today, I will tell you why characters like Roger and Whitebeard are irrelevant background characters.
I will also include characters like Rocks, Oden and Harald as well among them. I will also explain why Kaido is the strongest among them.

What are these characters narratively?

Are they a major focus of the story? Is a large part of the story building up towards them?
What do they ultimately represent? Do they have a purpose in the present/final saga?
Try to answer these without coping.

They are nothing more than placeholders for someone else. Whitebeard can be seen as an exception but I will explain why I still include him here. From what I see, Whitebeard doesnt have a replacement, something all of the others do.
The reason might be because the story did focus and build up towards Whitebeard, the whole pre-TS was basically his era and it ended with his death. The same goes for Kaido, he also doesnt have a replacement and was the major focus of the post-TS that built up towards his death... Both Kaido and Whitebeard actually do have "sons" but their sons do not matter...

This is not the case for the other 4 mentioned alongside Whitebeard.
Oden, Rocks, Roger and Harald, lets include even Whitebeard and Kaido here, are stories of failures.
Every single one of them has failed in whatever they tried to do.

Why?!
Because that is their purpose in the story, to be failures, to be placeholders for someone else who will succeed at all those things!

And who is it that will succeed in those things? Luffy, the MC, our Godfy! Duh!

The success is destined for the Sons of those Failures!

They key to understanding the story of One Piece was always by looking at the big picture, trying to understand the purpose of characters from EOS perspective instead of being a weekly reaction bots that ride the hype waves and power scale based on popularity...
All those statements that place Kaido and Oden above those others are true because ultimately, that is a list of people that doesnt matter. Their one and only purpose is being hype tools for each other and Kaido & Oden are the ones who benefited the most from it.

Ultimately, Kaido is the strongest character of that old generation, exactly as the manga facts said he was, stronger than all 5 of his top 5 and that includes Harald, the equal of Rocks who is among Kaido's top 5... However, the people on Kaido's top 5 & Harald represent people who will surpass Kaido!

There is an odd one among the Kaido's top 5 or lets call it top 6 due to Harald.
The other 5 are dead, the other 5 are not in the present and shaping the world in Final Saga.
Shanks is... Why is he different than others? Well, I think Shanks wasnt supposed to be in that top 5 panel but his father instead.
However, due to Garling not being introduced yet at that time, Shanks was placed where his father should have been.
In the end, it doesnt matter much because it still accomplishes the same thing.
Kaido's top 5 are weaker than Kaido but their Sons will be stronger than Kaido.


1 - Let's start with the obvious one, Rocks D Xebec, his successor is Blackbeard, the ultimate DF merchant of the show.
He is powering up through DFs and will likely end up with 3 of them and he will succeed in what his father failed - dethrone Imu.

2 - Oden has a successor as well, his son Momonosuke who ate one of the 2 important DFs that Rocks spoke of.
A copy of Kaido's fruit is basically given to a copy of Oden who is likely learning aCoC as we speak and he will succeed in what his father failed - he will open the borders of Wano and be one of the major supporters of the leaders of the new age that his father spoke of...

3 - Harald has a successor, a superior copy that ate the legendary DF of Elbaf, also one of the 2 important ones that Rocks spoke of and he will succeed in what his father failed to do - he will establish good relations between Elbaf and the whole world. While he was weaker before, he might receive a buff now that he is grasping aCoC which he wasnt fully aware of...

4 - Shanks is one of the central figures of the story and represents a few things and that might be the reason why he's a child of destiny.
He is Garling's son but he has inherited Roger's will as well as copied his fighting style. However, Shanks might have something Roger didnt have - a DF fed to his sword. And that DF was not awakened and by awakening it he gets to surpass Kaido and escapes the lockdown that is placed on him by Kaido's statements.

5 - While Whitebeard has a son or rather a clone of himself, the boy's retarded... It is that simple.
Very unlikely to to have a great purpose like the other Sons and to surpass Kaido but we will see.
Consider it a possibility.

6 - Lastly, we come down to Roger, whose son died... As irrelevant as his daddy in the grand scheme of things...
While Shanks did inherit Roger's will and combat style, what if Roger still has a living and breathing son?
It has been implied when he held Oden's children that it has been a while since he held a baby...
If my theory of Burn Scar being Rocks' 3rd son ends up wrong, he could be Roger's son instead!

In the end folks, the reason why Kaido's top 5 are weaker than him and are narratively failures by purpose is because their sons are a success and they are the ones who will reach the heights their fathers never could, they are those who matter and shape the world in the Final Saga, they are not the placeholders.
They are those who will surpass Kaido, not their irrelevant hypetool fathers.

Next time you try to wank those failures, you have no excuse.
Copium by default.
Today's power scaling lesson comes to its end. Until next time.
 
#2
Not related to the topic.

But do you agree or disagree with these parallels?

CharactersCharacter Parallel #1Character Parallel #2Character Parallel 3 Character Parallel #4
Luffy Joy Boy Shanks Roger Roger at God Valley
Zoro Ryuma Mihawk Oden Rayleigh
Sanji None None None Gaban


Joyboy and Ryuma are ancient Parallel.
Shanks and Mihawk are Mid-gen Parallel.
Roger and Oden are old-gen Parallel.

Not a powerscaling but a Parallel thread.
 
#3
Since the dawn of time, I have been saying that Roger and Whitebeard are not what people expected them to be.
They were never individually the strongest characters in this story, people have completely misread their purpose...
You are essentially wrong about Whitebeard.

I will also explain why Kaido is the strongest among them.
Bitch please...

but their sons do not matter...
Because you said so...

Oden, Rocks, Roger and Harald, lets include even Whitebeard and Kaido here, are stories of failures.
Rocks and Roger are undeniably failures.

Kaido is kinda of trick. His goal kinda of changed to be defeated by JoyBoy and he succeded in that way.

Oden is also trick. He himself kinda of failed but he was also he reason why 20 years later he could succed against Kaido and eventually will have Wano with open borders. Just because he is not doing it doesn't mean he didn't succeded since he indirectly helped with it.

And similar can be said about Harald. So far he didn't succeded but he may.

Whitebeard is definitely not a failure. He wanted a family and he had one. He sacrificed himself to save his sons and the only who died was the dumb Ace because he couldn't let Akainu talking alone.

Ultimately, Kaido is the strongest character of that old generation, exactly as the manga facts said he was, stronger than all 5 of his top 5 and that includes Harald, the equal of Rocks who is among Kaido's top 5... However, the people on Kaido's top 5 & Harald represent people who will surpass Kaido!
Manga says absolute nothing about Kaido being stronger than anyone of Old Gen.

Well, I think Shanks wasnt supposed to be in that top 5 panel but his father instead.
Just because...

You made no sense at all at this thread
 
#4
There is an odd one among the Kaido's top 5 or lets call it top 6 due to Harald.
The other 5 are dead, the other 5 are not in the present and shaping the world in Final Saga.
Shanks is... Why is he different than others? Well, I think Shanks wasnt supposed to be in that top 5 panel but his father instead.
However, due to Garling not being introduced yet at that time, Shanks was placed where his father should have been.
I don´t think it´s a good idea to deny the manga to support your theory. Oda decided to put Shanks in this panel instead of Garling, Garling looks very different then Shanks with his moon hair, and Oda has no issue with showing characters as silhouettes before they have been introduced. We had this for Kaido himself and countless other examples, even recently, we have the giant elders who are silhouettes. Garling also has no confirmed incident with Kaido, but Shanks has. Most likely, these were 5 characters Kaido saw as great, and Oda wanted to put above Luffy because Oda thought it was cool, and wanted the readers to feel like something big happened for chap 1001, so he put these characters as hype. They're most likely related to Luffy's ceiling, not their sons. Though for what it's worth, Shanks most likely is the father of Makino's child, but the idea that he will surpass Kaido is far fetched.


2 - Oden has a successor as well, his son Momonosuke who ate one of the 2 important DFs that Rocks spoke of.
A copy of Kaido's fruit is basically given to a copy of Oden who is likely learning aCoC as we speak and he will succeed in what his father failed - he will open the borders of Wano and be one of the major supporters of the leaders of the new age that his father spoke of...
I think this is where your theory starts to fall apart. First of all, has it been confirmed that Momo's fruit is one of the 2 rocks wanted?

What do you mean he is learning ACOC as we speak? From who? We have a Yamato cover story in Wano, but we haven't been focusing on Momo's growth in strength at all, so it doesn't look like she is training him, and I don't think we know how strong Oden's dad is, who is actually training/tutoring Momo.

Anyway, there isn't any reason to think Momo will surpass Oden in strength, he will simply have an achievement that Oden couldn't achieve. Momo is now Shogun of Wano who can open the borders anytime he wants, and Oden could never achieve this. Why? Because Oden had a weaker allies when he went to fight for Wano, Momo did little of the fighting himself. And if Oda never focused much on Momo's fighting power in the decade longish saga from PH to Wano, where had more focus then he probably ever will again, why would he focus on making Momo stronger then Oden now?



3 - Harald has a successor, a superior copy that ate the legendary DF of Elbaf, also one of the 2 important ones that Rocks spoke of and he will succeed in what his father failed to do - he will establish good relations between Elbaf and the whole world. While he was weaker before, he might receive a buff now that he is grasping aCoC which he wasnt fully aware of...
Harald didn't fail at making Elbaf have a good relationship with the outside world though? He succeeded at making Elbaf go from pillaging through the world to trading with other countries. If anything, Loki will end up trying to moderate Harald's vision, and make sure that the kids of Elbaf remember some of their warrior ways, as opposed to focusing so much on education, which seems to be a plot point. (though you can say that Harald failed at making Elbaf part of the actual WG, I guess, but people like Ripley do basically say that Harald did change Elbaf, and Loki himself complained about this.)

4 - Shanks is one of the central figures of the story and represents a few things and that might be the reason why he's a child of destiny.
He is Garling's son but he has inherited Roger's will as well as copied his fighting style. However, Shanks might have something Roger didnt have - a DF fed to his sword. And that DF was not awakened and by awakening it he gets to surpass Kaido and escapes the lockdown that is placed on him by Kaido's statements.
Shanks didn't inherit Rogers will. That's why he tells Rayleigh that Luffy has Rogers dream, it isn't his own dream.

We also have nearly identical scenes of Roger telling his dream to Oden and Whitebeard, and with Luffy telling his dream to Ace and Sabo. Rayleigh also has flashbacks of Roger after seeing Luffy, and the same is true of Gaban. Back in the old days Crocus also wondered if Luffy was the crew that Roger was waiting for, implying again, that it isn't Shanks who inherited Roger's will, they were all waiting for someone who would.

5 - While Whitebeard has a son or rather a clone of himself, the boy's retarded... It is that simple.
Very unlikely to to have a great purpose like the other Sons and to surpass Kaido but we will see.
Consider it a possibility.
Given the fact that Weevil is the only characters who has explicitly been said to be equal to his dad, isn't this just unfair ? Plus, what does him being retarded have to do with his power level? Though, Whitebeard doesn't really have a dream he passed on, so Weevil can't inherit his will, but he can inherit his strength at least.


6 - Lastly, we come down to Roger, whose son died... As irrelevant as his daddy in the grand scheme of things...
While Shanks did inherit Roger's will and combat style, what if Roger still has a living and breathing son?
It has been implied when he held Oden's children that it has been a while since he held a baby...
If my theory of Burn Scar being Rocks' 3rd son ends up wrong, he could be Roger's son instead!

According to Rayleigh, Roger doesn't have a son

Though a condom could have broken or something? But this just feels forced for the sake of the theory.
 
#8
This Inherited Will reminds me of how Islands work in Grand Line,
One Island taking you to another, eventually everyone meets at Final Island,

But what's Interesting is that Grand Line have "Seven" Routes,
Implying that there should be Seven Characters or Seven Inherited Wills that eventually Collide or make an Alliance,

But that's not all, remember Water Seven? It's named like that because it had 7 Docks, another Reference to Seven Key Leaders,
However, when SHs Visited the Island, it turned out that all of them were United into a Single Company called "Galley-La", which further Confirms that the Grand Line itself is Implying there should be Seven Groups/Crews/Kingdoms that must Unite One Day,

And after learning about those Frozen Giants & how much They are needed, it's made clear that all of this is Part of a Plan, (SH Grand Fleet is also Seven Ships which i don't think is a Coincidence, also don't forget that Water 7 was also a Sinking Island, showing that it truly was a Mini Version of entire World),
Who is fit to be among these Seven? Obviously Haoshoku Haki Users, but don't look at all of them, because many followed each other or shared Same Path (Same Line of Inherited Will), instead, We are looking for Different Sides among CoC Users & who is currently the Last Representative of them,

This Flashback showed us Five out of Seven already (Roger Side, Xebec Side, Harald Side, Garling Side & Garp Side), no need to count likes of Rayleigh, Gaban, Oden, BM, Kaidou, WB, Sengoku, other CDs ... etc because They are already fall within these Paths,
And We've already seen who Inherited them, We have Shanks as New Roger, Teach as New Xebec, Loki as New Harald, Shamrock as New Garling & Dragon as New Garp (Basically Two Types of Pirates + Marines/Justice + CDs + Elbaph/Giants)

As for Remaining Two, We are looking for Legendary Figures same as these Five but who don't fall under any of these Categories, and best Two Candidates currently are Mihawk & Man With Burn Scar,

And you can notice how these Seven does indeed Represent Seven Main Paths of entire World & the ones who can decide the Outcome of Final War (Red-Hair Pirates, Cross Guild, Blackbeard Pirates, Man With Burn Scar Side, World Government, Rebel Army & Elbaph/Giants),
But what about Luffy & SHs? Why didn't I put them among these Seven? That's where Chapter 1 Promise/Dream comes into Play, SHs Role is to Replace Red-Hair Pirates as Representatives of Peace-Main Pirates, the Group that will eventually End this War of Seven Sides & turn it into One United Will/Path, (Similar to Water 7 & Galley-La Company)

Something that Shanks is trying to do, hence why He is called Child of Destiny, cuz He is expected to Unite Inherited Wills, this is why He tries to keep Peace between All Factions & is on Good Terms with most of them, including WG & Elbaph, it's probably also why Shanks only decided to aim for One Piece once Luffy proved himself, cuz Shanks knows that only Luffy Threatens his Role & Position among the Seven,
This is why I agree with your way of thinking, even if I don't fully agree with the Details, but indeed those Legends are just Past Failed Re-Skins who are there to be used as Hype Tools for the New Gen, while True Successful Figures who are Fit to Lead The Final Battle Royale are:

Shanks
Teach
Loki
Dragon
Shamrock
Mihawk
Man With Burn Scar

The others are just Part of these Seven Paths,
(I also have an Idea of what's Buggy's Place in all this & why is He so Important, but let's leave that for another Day)

If People want to Hype Someone, then forget about Roger/WB & their Re-Skins,
These Seven are the ones who truly Threaten Imu's Empty Throne, imo They are Strongest Seven Warlords of All Time.
 
#9
Not related to the topic.

But do you agree or disagree with these parallels?

CharactersCharacter Parallel #1Character Parallel #2Character Parallel 3 Character Parallel #4
Luffy Joy Boy Shanks Roger Roger at God Valley
Zoro Ryuma Mihawk Oden Rayleigh
Sanji None None None Gaban


Joyboy and Ryuma are ancient Parallel.
Shanks and Mihawk are Mid-gen Parallel.
Roger and Oden are old-gen Parallel.

Not a powerscaling but a Parallel thread.
Sanji's is Sora
 
#10
Not related to the topic.

But do you agree or disagree with these parallels?

CharactersCharacter Parallel #1Character Parallel #2Character Parallel 3 Character Parallel #4
Luffy Joy Boy Shanks Roger Roger at God Valley
Zoro Ryuma Mihawk Oden Rayleigh
Sanji None None None Gaban


Joyboy and Ryuma are ancient Parallel.
Shanks and Mihawk are Mid-gen Parallel.
Roger and Oden are old-gen Parallel.

Not a powerscaling but a Parallel thread.
Replace Oden with Whitebeard
Oden isn't some parallel of Zoro in a long run
He was just a Wano benchmark
 
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