Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1161 Spoilers discussion thread

[Dragon777]

So lemme get this straight WB BM Kaido all fighting the scum pirates who betray Rocks and terrorize innocent god valley citizens while washing up holy knights

Garp comes in and wants to fight these 3 thereby defending the honor of celestial dragons and their spinoff hunger games event

Truly those Slavery D. Enforcer allegations are as real as the one piece existing

 

[Welkin]

old gaban couldn't defeat a hk
he just paralyzed him for few minutes

Sommers isn't dead and the shark chick that Whitebeard attacked likely isn't dead either

We've yet to see someone totally defeat and kill a Holy Knight onscreen

If we're lucky we'll see it by the end of this arc. Hopefully Oda doesn't drag it out

Tbh there’s no chance that Killingham and Sommers are fighting Zoro and Sanji.

Ehhhh I'm pretty confident that they will. The set up feels just a bit too obvious to me

Imu + 2 Holy Knights? Number 1, 2, and 3

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You have far more faith then I do.

I think Koby now stole everything. And I have been always very invested in Koby, literally since the pre TS, but I wanted Smoker to be at least the Sengoku of this era.

Now he got sidelined by Koby and Fujitora both.

Coby stole nothing. Coby’s following a separate path than what Garp did in Roger’s era. Smoker is following the same one

 

[Crow]

Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 had scuffles prior to fighting Zoro and Sanji

They did. But do you expect Mr 2 to inflict actual damage to a man made of literal metal blades? Hell, Mr 1 would destroy Luffy up until post TS.

Jabra said specifically dfs aren’t considered when talking about those power levels.

And we learnt that this is crap since zoans very clearly demonstrated to indeed have an effect on the base form of the user.
Since the BPs' hierarchy is solely based on power there's a distinct cut between those two by definition. Queen's strength clearly was science. King was a one man army and a literal battle ship. There's a reason kaido only took him to face the entire battle ready WB crew.

It’s pretty clear that they’ve been Zoro and Sanji opponents since Domi reversi was shown

I don't think so. But we'll see.

 

[Dragon777]

Coby stole nothing. Coby’s following a separate path than what Garp did in Roger’s era. Smoker is following the same one

Koby has even the same nickname as Garp, not to mention the same moves. And he Is Garp's disciple.

 

[Shiroyru]

@ZenZu Ngl Rayleigh might be one of the worst male role models in the series. Bro hooked up with Shakky and then ditched her for another 13 years, never even formally married her, constantly cheats, and never had a kid with her despite having plenty of time. Waban is the real GOAT

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Divine Arrival, I already revealed it

go with Divine Advent

That sounds more like something oda would do

Alternatively, Dreadful Advent. Cause he's the shadow king/king of the underworld

 

[The Legend]

shiryu> 3 yonko confirmed

Another sneak like Vista's rival

 

[Shiroyru]

go with Divine Advent

That sounds more like something oda would do

Alternatively, Dreadful Advent. Cause he's the shadow king/king of the underworld

Y’all should hope Ray gets no named move. If he does, it will be pure cringe like King of Hell

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Koby has even the same nickname as Garp, not to mention the same moves. And he Is Garp's disciple.

he also worships goofy which is antithesis to everything garp stands for

coby is garp's disciple. Just that. But he is not the new gen equivalent of garp.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They did. But do you expect Mr 2 to inflict actual damage to a man made of literal metal blades? Hell, Mr 1 would destroy Luffy up until post TS.

And we learnt that this is crap since zoans very clearly demonstrated to indeed have an effect on the base form of the user.
Since the BPs' hierarchy is solely based on power there's a distinct cut between those two by definition. Queen's strength clearly was science. King was a one man army and a literal battle ship. There's a reason kaido only took him to face the entire battle ready WB crew.

I don't think so. But we'll see.

Dude I don’t care about your headcanon about these opponents. Yes Mr. 2 can hurt Mr. 1 he literally has steel beaks that make his kicks more powerful (actual steel, not iron like Mr. 1s body). We’re told directly Jabras fruit isn’t accounted into his Doriki, Idc if you disagree but that’s canon. And yes it’s power based hierarchy but the Calamities are all the same hierarchy, King isn’t a higher role than Queen. That’s why the TR could challenge any of them.

Oda regularly has Zoro and Sanji fight opponents who fight one another. That’s just how it is and always will be.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Y’all should hope Ray gets no named move. If he does, it will be pure cringe like King of Hell

He already got one lol

His attack vs Sommers is a named move

Years of zorotard no name agenda shattered

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

This panel does not exist for assmiraL copers.

Unfortunately Aokiji was already prime Garp level with literally zero fruit usage at all:

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Unfortunately Aokiji was already prime Garp level with literally zero fruit usage at all:

In physical strength maybe, but Garp has far better Haki

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sommers isn't dead and the shark chick that Whitebeard attacked likely isn't dead either

We've yet to see someone totally defeat and kill a Holy Knight onscreen

If we're lucky we'll see it by the end of this arc. Hopefully Oda doesn't drag it out




Ehhhh I'm pretty confident that they will. The set up feels just a bit too obvious to me

Imu + 2 Holy Knights? Number 1, 2, and 3

The evil giants was set up more.
1. The arc started with Luffy saying that he and his crew will beat them even if they became his enemies.
2. The Evil Giants joined the arc at the same time as Imu
3. The 2 of them fight one another constantly just like Zoro and Sanjis normal opponents

The HK will be beaten by others, Usopp probably will be the one to beat Killingham after all

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

https://x.com/flamegodace/status/1970170733059006838
This is funny

 

[Cross_Marian]

So who betrayed Rocks?
Some fodder pirates or some core members like Kyo, Captain John etc.?

 

[Dragon777]

he also worships goofy which is antithesis to everything garp stands for

coby is garp's disciple. Just that. But he is not the new gen equivalent of garp.

He owns Luffy a lot, yeah, and he Is a fangirl, yes, but:

Which anyway wasn't new:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://i.redd.it/i1tojpoqiy7c1.png

He actually tried at MF too.

 

[ZenZu]

Rayleigh was modeled off Zoro's template, dude, not Shanks. lmao

Rayleigh's whole hype is is basically a mirror of Zoro's.

Old Rayleigh and Shanks are carbon copies of each other, both in fighting style, also design wise and carefree attitude. I say Old Rayleigh because he was introduced first, and that's exactly who he is. They are used interchangeably in the story for Oda. Both are representations of walking haoshoku haki (both were used for introducing CoC in the story despite dozens of other characters having it, Shanks making GB twerk was immediately followed up by Ray making BB twerk).

If you didn't know this scene you wouldn't be able to tell if the above gif was Ray or Shanks, that's how similar they are.

Rayleigh was not modelled after Zoro's template, not one bit. They share the 2nd strongest rank in their respective crews and some other similarities (drinking and scar) but you can find those similarities in dozens of other characters (including Shanks). The only thing Zoro and Ray share is the fact that Zoro will probably surpass him in power at some point.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Who has been downplaying Garp ?

Don't act like your fellows haven't been doing that