General & Others What are the Odds that Zoro Fights Killingham and Sanji Fights Sommers in Elbaf?
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Zoro and Sanji vs. Domi Dorry and Brogy is boring on paper.
Their current role as villains is to act as false usurpers, so it makes sense for the rightful prince and his half-brother (Loki and Hajrudin) to crush the rebellion.
After Domi Reversi affected Dorry, his sword was transformed into a trident, similar to the one Killingham uses. So if Zoro fights either of them, he will be facing a similar weapon rather than a traditional sword.
Their current role as villains is to act as false usurpers, so it makes sense for the rightful prince and his half-brother (Loki and Hajrudin) to crush the rebellion.
After Domi Reversi affected Dorry, his sword was transformed into a trident, similar to the one Killingham uses. So if Zoro fights either of them, he will be facing a similar weapon rather than a traditional sword.
I get some of the implications for Z and S fighting Dorry and Broggy, but honestly, the focus Sommers is getting implies he is fighting Sanji, and the way he treats women is pretty "unique" if u know what i mean, Absalom and Queen were like that as well.
So Sommers is being focused on, while Killingham is gonna be left behind for now just like what we saw with Queen getting all the screentime while King got offscreened.
In regards to Sommers strength, don't mind him jobbing to Gaban and Rayleigh, these guys are worth 3 Billion berry bare minimum, and besides he got caught by surprise in both situations. Look how Sommers talks to Garling and Shamrock like he was in a special position among the Holy Knights, i think that means something..
I think that during GV we gonna see some feats from Sommers, he is not defeated yet just like that female Holy Knight Whitebeard cut in half by accident.
We saw Sommers trading some blows with Gaban and blocking his CoC attacks even while missing a hand, and he still managed to last a for a while. Obviously they have no chances against Top Tiers but i feel like Oda is trying to show us this arc the level of Zoro and Sanji compared to Gaban and Rayleigh's.
And Sommers is gonna be special because Sanji has no Conquerors Haki while Zoro and Luffy already do, so he is gonna get a special focus in this arc due to that in a way or another despite of Sanji getting CoC this arc or not...
Zoro and Sanji, or even Luffy, might eventually be involved in clashes against Dorry and Broggy but i don't expect Zoro and Sanji to fight them and beat them like their main and long lasting battles...
Sommers and Killingham are Imu's direct subbordinates, thus fighting Zoro and Sanji makes the most sense if Luffy is meant to face Imu, it is trully simple as that
Their immortality is also very important to take into consideration
For 99% of the time these guys don't need to worry about nothing. I mean, 99% of the population can't harm them, literally only CoC coating users can do that (not even regular CoC users), how insane is that?
So Sommers is being focused on, while Killingham is gonna be left behind for now just like what we saw with Queen getting all the screentime while King got offscreened.
In regards to Sommers strength, don't mind him jobbing to Gaban and Rayleigh, these guys are worth 3 Billion berry bare minimum, and besides he got caught by surprise in both situations. Look how Sommers talks to Garling and Shamrock like he was in a special position among the Holy Knights, i think that means something..
I think that during GV we gonna see some feats from Sommers, he is not defeated yet just like that female Holy Knight Whitebeard cut in half by accident.
We saw Sommers trading some blows with Gaban and blocking his CoC attacks even while missing a hand, and he still managed to last a for a while. Obviously they have no chances against Top Tiers but i feel like Oda is trying to show us this arc the level of Zoro and Sanji compared to Gaban and Rayleigh's.
And Sommers is gonna be special because Sanji has no Conquerors Haki while Zoro and Luffy already do, so he is gonna get a special focus in this arc due to that in a way or another despite of Sanji getting CoC this arc or not...
Zoro and Sanji, or even Luffy, might eventually be involved in clashes against Dorry and Broggy but i don't expect Zoro and Sanji to fight them and beat them like their main and long lasting battles...
Sommers and Killingham are Imu's direct subbordinates, thus fighting Zoro and Sanji makes the most sense if Luffy is meant to face Imu, it is trully simple as that
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I get some of the implications for Z and S fighting Dorry and Broggy, but honestly, the focus Sommers is getting implies he is fighting Sanji, and the way he treats women is pretty "unique" if u know what i mean, Absalom and Queen were like that as well.
So Sommers is being focused on, while Killingham is gonna be left behind for now just like what we saw with Queen getting all the screentime while King got offscreened.
In regards to Sommers strength, don't mind him jobbing to Gaban and Rayleigh, these guys are worth 3 Billion berry bare minimum, and besides he got caught by surprise in both situations. Look how Sommers talks to Garling and Shamrock like he was in a special position among the Holy Knights, i think that means something..
I think that during GV we gonna see some feats from Sommers, he is not defeated yet just like that female Holy Knight Whitebeard cut in half by accident.
We saw Sommers trading some blows with Gaban and blocking his CoC attacks even while missing a hand, and he still managed to last a for a while. Obviously they have no chances against Top Tiers but i feel like Oda is trying to show us this arc the level of Zoro and Sanji compared to Gaban and Rayleigh's.
And Sommers is gonna be special because Sanji has no Conquerors Haki while Zoro and Luffy already do, so he is gonna get a special focus in this arc due to that in a way or another despite of Sanji getting CoC this arc or not...
Zoro and Sanji, or even Luffy, might eventually be involved in clashes against Dorry and Broggy but i don't expect Zoro and Sanji to fight them and beat them like their main and long lasting battles...
Sommers and Killingham are Imu's direct subbordinates, thus fighting Zoro and Sanji makes the most sense if Luffy is meant to face Imu, it is trully simple as that
So Sommers is being focused on, while Killingham is gonna be left behind for now just like what we saw with Queen getting all the screentime while King got offscreened.
In regards to Sommers strength, don't mind him jobbing to Gaban and Rayleigh, these guys are worth 3 Billion berry bare minimum, and besides he got caught by surprise in both situations. Look how Sommers talks to Garling and Shamrock like he was in a special position among the Holy Knights, i think that means something..
I think that during GV we gonna see some feats from Sommers, he is not defeated yet just like that female Holy Knight Whitebeard cut in half by accident.
We saw Sommers trading some blows with Gaban and blocking his CoC attacks even while missing a hand, and he still managed to last a for a while. Obviously they have no chances against Top Tiers but i feel like Oda is trying to show us this arc the level of Zoro and Sanji compared to Gaban and Rayleigh's.
And Sommers is gonna be special because Sanji has no Conquerors Haki while Zoro and Luffy already do, so he is gonna get a special focus in this arc due to that in a way or another despite of Sanji getting CoC this arc or not...
Zoro and Sanji, or even Luffy, might eventually be involved in clashes against Dorry and Broggy but i don't expect Zoro and Sanji to fight them and beat them like their main and long lasting battles...
Sommers and Killingham are Imu's direct subbordinates, thus fighting Zoro and Sanji makes the most sense if Luffy is meant to face Imu, it is trully simple as that
For 99% of the time these guys don't need to worry about nothing. I mean, 99% of the population can't harm them, literally only CoC coating users can do that (not even regular CoC users), how insane is that?
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How is Sanji who got his leg cracked by Vergo fighting Hybrid Queen without a raid suit? How is Sanji who couldn’t beat Page One without the raid suit going to beat Queen? How are Robin and Franky going to beat Tobi Roppo without Haki?How is Luffy going to beat Katakuri when he needed help against Cracker? How are Kid and Law going to beat Big Mom without having Advanced Conquerors Haki.
You mean Sanji who was nerfed against Vergo?
As for the other examples, Robin got help against Black Maria, Luffy got help from Brulee (against her will) against Kata, and those in general all had actual options for them to win besides just brute strength or whatever. Sanji can not hurt a HK or a Majin Giant permanently without ACoC, that's a fact, and if there were another counter Gaban would have told us so.
As for the other examples, Robin got help against Black Maria, Luffy got help from Brulee (against her will) against Kata, and those in general all had actual options for them to win besides just brute strength or whatever. Sanji can not hurt a HK or a Majin Giant permanently without ACoC, that's a fact, and if there were another counter Gaban would have told us so.
Sommers is one of the most Sanji coded antagonists we’ve ever gotten, he’s got a twisted sense of love, he abuses women, and he has history with Scopper Gaban, I’d say this matchup is a lock. Killingham isn’t necessarily Zoro coded but he’s the only real other option and lowkey you can parallel his centaur like nature with Nusjuro and he’s a dragon creature tbf, he’s not a swordsman true but Zoro literally fought Lucci last arc so fighting someone with a trident isn’t so crazy. The fact that you’ll need conquerors haki to truly harm these people make Zoro and Sanji the only realistic options here which means Sanji has a great opportunity for growth here, especially with this Scopper content it’s damn near guaranteed Sanji will shine that’s his Roger pirate parallel after all. Now Dorry and Broggy being defeated by Loki seems to be most fitting there really isn’t much else for him to do, Gunko/Imu is the obvious Luffy fight here. This battle will be the perfect opportunity to really powerscale not only Holy Knights but also Domi Reversi’d individuals, though the Rocks flashback might already accomplish that.
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The one who thinks Demons are the pinnacle of existence will inevitably encounter the actual pinnacle of existence - a Demon God.
Since Imu isnt strong enough to fight Zoro, Killingham's Nightmare will have to do the job instead.
Since Sommers seems to be the clown of the arc that everyone trashes, he seems to be locked as Sanji's opponent since he doesnt stand a chance against Gunko anyway.
On the other hand, fighting a ~2Bil worth Domi Dorry/Brogy might make Sanjino look better.
Since Imu isnt strong enough to fight Zoro, Killingham's Nightmare will have to do the job instead.
Since Sommers seems to be the clown of the arc that everyone trashes, he seems to be locked as Sanji's opponent since he doesnt stand a chance against Gunko anyway.
On the other hand, fighting a ~2Bil worth Domi Dorry/Brogy might make Sanjino look better.
