Questions & Mysteries Is Garp the most evil character in One Piece?

[Xione]

Ivankov who was at God Valley and actively fights the CD:

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Maybe I misread that and what Ivankov stated was "The Navy, The Pirates and Revolutionaries just want to help people!!!"


You're right he's more evil than Blackbeard, a leader of mass murderers who wants to be nothing more than Imu 2.0.
More evil than Crocodile... ahh yes the mf that was going to have Alabasta essentially commit an internal genocide so he could take control and caused hundreds to thousands of death with forced droughts.
And of course can't forget Shanksu... the man who does nothing but drink away on islands or fight small time pirates 6 years as a Yonko, while CD continue their slavery.
Shit nah you might be right Garp is def more evil, than somebody like Mihawk who actively supports mass murderers like Buggy, Crocodile, and etc while empowering many more criminal organizations.
More evil than Doflamingo... who essentially committed a genocide with the toys, while actively supplying weapons to the WG to fight against the RA.

100% He's more evil than Whitebeard, the man who tried being Roger 2.0 with a speech which lead to rise of criminals who ruthlessly raided countries across the world, like Alabasta and even peaceful villages like Foosha were about to be raided had Garp not arrived. The man who sat in middle of the ocean, never lifting a single finger against the CD.



"Oh Garp should just be a pirate..." ok so name a pirate who actively liberated slaves and fought against the CD. The mf that y'all are cowgirling while doing Ivankov impersonations of "Yeeehaw", Xebec, didn't do jackshit to the CD... it took a coincidental event for him to even interact against the CD lmao. Hasn't liberated a single slave in the entire flashback. And guess what his goal was? Be another Imu, yaaaayyyy soo much better than the evil guy Garp.


"Oh why isn't he like his son"... yes why isn't he like the only person in 800 years to stand against the CD while actively raising an army across the globe to stand directly against the CD and freeing slaves by the thousands for years. Even the damn MC isn't like Dragon.



The low IQ brainrot slander for characters is insane on this forum. If you're going to slander somebody use something that doesn't make you look like a hypocrite.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Wow. Was that supposed to be a defense for Garp? Lmao

 

[Xione]

Wow. Was that supposed to be a defense for Garp? Lmao

So you had nothing to contribute, other than cowgirling the brainrot OP with a brainrot post of "hurpa durpa ishh that meant to defend Garp lmaoo"

 

[Fn Lucci]

So you had nothing to contribute, other than cowgirling the brainrot OP with a brainrot post of "hurpa durpa ishh that meant to defend Garp lmaoo"

Your post sucked. I didn't wanna dive into the weeds of comparing Garp to like, Iva, but I can if you had a question on why your argument is ass from a different perspective.

 

[Xione]

Your post sucked. I didn't wanna dive into the weeds of comparing Garp to like, Iva, but I can if you had a question on why your argument is ass from a different perspective.

Lol bruhz, If I wanted to ask a question, I would've asked.

Sigh... Erkan and the 24 others already displayed the brainrot in failing to read the simple manga by making a low Iq statement of "Garp is the most evil character in one piece"... You're now building upon that brainrot with your desire to cowgirl on the OP, while failing to use basic reading comprehension.


You read the below and your take was "comparing Garp to like, Iva" huh?? Go ahead and highlight the comparison that was made between Iva and Garp. Take as long as you need to find it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Lol bruhz, If I wanted to ask a question, I would've asked.

Sigh... Erkan and the 24 others already displayed the brainrot in failing to read the simple manga by making a low Iq statement of "Garp is the most evil character in one piece"... You're now building upon that brainrot with your desire to cowgirl on the OP, while failing to use basic reading comprehension.


You read the below and your take was "comparing Garp to like, Iva" huh?? Go ahead and highlight the comparison that was made between Iva and Garp. Take as long as you need to find it.

You are snarling at two dozen people because you don't understand the concept of hyperbole. You are also using Iva's words to justify Garp's role and comparing him in said role to the role played by the revolutionaries. There is little reason for Garp to not have backed Dragon (his own words are arguable) and it honestly looks worse if you want to put him in that conversation.

 

[Xione]

You are snarling at two dozen people because you don't understand the concept of hyperbole. You are also using Iva's words to justify Garp's role and comparing him in said role to the role played by the revolutionaries. There is little reason for Garp to not have backed Dragon (his own words are arguable) and it honestly looks worse if you want to put him in that conversation.

You think me calling out the brainrot is snarling? lmao I guess I am then. Shiiii, I be snarlin whole lot on here then.

Ahhh your counter is "hyperbole". So you read the below statement and your conclusion was "oh my god, look at Erkan using hyperbole!!". Did Erkan DM you that he made a hyperbolic thread? That when he compliments Oda for being a great writer by making Garp the Hero to be the most evilest guy out there, due to it's irony... he's being hyperbolic?

"Complete evil rivals Imu, because Celestial dragons do that for their own amusement, Garp enjoy to ''serve'' them like a dog similar to Akainu.. Thats why Oda is a great writer, you think pirates are evil and Garp is hero, turns out Garp is the evilest guy out there" - Erkan

If you believe "Garp is the most evil character in OP" is simply hyperbole. That means you don't believe Garp is the most evil character in OP. Yet you are arguing against a post that's addressing Garp being the most evil character in the literal sense. Interesting.

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So you reread what I screenshotted, and the conclusion that you came up with is I'm saying Garp shares the same role as the RA? what?


There is no "Garp and Iva role comp" going on by me. The comparison is made by Ivankov between the Marines and the Revolutionaries, pointing out a trait that they share in common:

Was Iva there at God Valley at sametime as Garp? Yes
Did Iva see other marines at God Valley? Yes
Is Iva constantly at odds with the Marines? Yes
Despite all of that, Ivankov of the Revolutionary Army, states that Marines just want to help the people just like the RA. What does this mean? That the marines are still good people who simply want to help the people.

And what in the world is Garp? ahhh yes... a Marine. And what does he do 99% of the times? Fight criminals to protect civilians aka to help the people. We're actively shown even Sengoku being worried about civilians pre-TS and post-TS.

And what does all this mean? He's not anywhere close to being one of the most evil people in OP.
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What does backing up Dragon mean? leaving the marines to join the freedom fighters? why would he do that when he has friends who he has bled and fought alongside with in the Marines, isn't not abandoning your nakama one of the important themes of the series? Why would he do that when he's still is in contact with his son? When has he disagreed with anything Dragon is doing? Why does he need to leave the Marines to help Dragon? It ain't all that hard to find plenty of reasons for Garp to not join the RA.

If joining Dragon or not is the ultimate moral test, why is that no applied to pirates like Newgate, Shanks, etc? Why is that not applied to Koby/Smoker/etc? Or are they unaware of what the CD do and what Dragon does?

Is Luffy more evil for not joining his father and helping him overthrow the CD instead of selfishly continuing his journey?

 

[Kumathegoat]

The only true and noble path is the revolution

Luffy is not a hero, nor any marine or king.

The revolutionaries are the only heroes in One Piece.

Garp is garbage

 

[Kiri]

Whatever happened, it caused Roger to team up with Garp to take out the rocks pirates. Forget just celestials, Xebec could have gone into a rage after seeing his wife die that he decided to kill everyone, marines, celestials, other pirates that aren't in his crew, doesn't matter.

In this scenario Garp would obviously fight Xebec, what sengoku said could have just been the effect of roger trying to protect his crew, and garp trying to protect his marines:

The bi-product is that they both protected the celestials and their slaves, but that doesn't have to be the literal reason for why they fought Rocks.

1. Garp isn't gonna stand by and watch his troops get slaughtered

2. Roger stood his ground and didn't run in order to protect his crew

"It's not about pride alone. He's making sure the enemy doesn't go after his friends"

 

[Fn Lucci]

You think me calling out the brainrot is snarling? lmao I guess I am then. Shiiii, I be snarlin whole lot on here then.

Ahhh your counter is "hyperbole". So you read the below statement and your conclusion was "oh my god, look at Erkan using hyperbole!!". Did Erkan DM you that he made a hyperbolic thread? That when he compliments Oda for being a great writer by making Garp the Hero to be the most evilest guy out there, due to it's irony... he's being hyperbolic?

"Complete evil rivals Imu, because Celestial dragons do that for their own amusement, Garp enjoy to ''serve'' them like a dog similar to Akainu.. Thats why Oda is a great writer, you think pirates are evil and Garp is hero, turns out Garp is the evilest guy out there" - Erkan

If you believe "Garp is the most evil character in OP" is simply hyperbole. That means you don't believe Garp is the most evil character in OP. Yet you are arguing against a post that's addressing Garp being the most evil character in the literal sense. Interesting.

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So you reread what I screenshotted, and the conclusion that you came up with is I'm saying Garp shares the same role as the RA? what?


There is no "Garp and Iva role comp" going on by me. The comparison is made by Ivankov between the Marines and the Revolutionaries, pointing out a trait that they share in common:

Was Iva there at God Valley at sametime as Garp? Yes
Did Iva see other marines at God Valley? Yes
Is Iva constantly at odds with the Marines? Yes
Despite all of that, Ivankov of the Revolutionary Army, states that Marines just want to help the people just like the RA. What does this mean? That the marines are still good people who simply want to help the people.

And what in the world is Garp? ahhh yes... a Marine. And what does he do 99% of the times? Fight criminals to protect civilians aka to help the people. We're actively shown even Sengoku being worried about civilians pre-TS and post-TS.

And what does all this mean? He's not anywhere close to being one of the most evil people in OP.
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What does backing up Dragon mean? leaving the marines to join the freedom fighters? why would he do that when he has friends who he has bled and fought alongside with in the Marines, isn't not abandoning your nakama one of the important themes of the series? Why would he do that when he's still is in contact with his son? When has he disagreed with anything Dragon is doing? Why does he need to leave the Marines to help Dragon? It ain't all that hard to find plenty of reasons for Garp to not join the RA.

If joining Dragon or not is the ultimate moral test, why is that no applied to pirates like Newgate, Shanks, etc? Why is that not applied to Koby/Smoker/etc? Or are they unaware of what the CD do and what Dragon does?

Is Luffy more evil for not joining his father and helping him overthrow the CD instead of selfishly continuing his journey?

I'm arguing against someone who doesn't understand an argument against Garp, a virtually unbeatable man who passively allowed some of the most fucked up shit in shonen. Is Luffy more evil? No, he puts the well being of innocents above any allegiance or agenda, and for all his flaws he has enough self awareness to not allow others to consider him a hero.

 

[Xione]

I'm arguing against someone who doesn't understand an argument against Garp, a virtually unbeatable man who passively allowed some of the most fucked up shit in shonen. Is Luffy more evil? No, he puts the well being of innocents above any allegiance or agenda, and for all his flaws he has enough self awareness to not allow others to consider him a hero.

You're arguing against someone who understands that in the past 800 year history of One Piece, only 1 man has ever taken a giant direct stance against the Celestial Dragons, and that's Dragon. That holding anybody, including Dragon's own father, to the standards of Dragon undermines the purpose of Dragon's entire character. I'm somebody who doesn't do contradictory logic, which you've been ducking and weaving around when called out on.

Yes Luffy put the well-being of innocents above any allegiance or agenda when he teamed up with mass murderers to escape Impel Down, and also provided other genocidal mass murdering freaks to escape ID... all because? Ah right his allegiance to his brother. They then did what? Ahh right went on to terrorize civilians. And what was the accountability he took for it?? ah yes, training for 2 years and continuing to do his own thing.

Dragon has never resorted to allying with mass murderers for a selfish goal. Dragon has never let loose mass murderers who marines spent lord knows how long trying to imprison.

"To not allow others to consider him a hero", cool and Dragon has freed the most slaves in the past 800 years and yet hardly anybody even knew who the fuck he was as a person. So he's not beating Dragon on the selfless department either.

So how is Luffy not more evil than Dragon? Why is Luffy letting his allegiance to his crew and his goals preventing him from joining up with his father and fighting the CD directly right now? Why did he spend 2 years in training, only to go around drinking and singing on a ship while he jumped island to island partying and fighting??

"A virtually unbeatable man", yes he became that after spending decade+ in the marines fighting alongside other marines. You expected him to betray his friends because his son chose a different path, while Garp can still remain in the marines and raise up bright marines and continue to do good as a marine?? And of course you're not going to apply this logic to other pirates or marines, just Garp.

 

[Fn Lucci]

You're arguing against someone who understands that in the past 800 year history of One Piece, only 1 man has ever taken a giant direct stance against the Celestial Dragons, and that's Dragon. That holding anybody, including Dragon's own father, to the standards of Dragon undermines the purpose of Dragon's entire character. I'm somebody who doesn't do contradictory logic, which you've been ducking and weaving around when called out on.

Yes Luffy put the well-being of innocents above any allegiance or agenda when he teamed up with mass murderers to escape Impel Down, and also provided other genocidal mass murdering freaks to escape ID... all because? Ah right his allegiance to his brother. They then did what? Ahh right went on to terrorize civilians. And what was the accountability he took for it?? ah yes, training for 2 years and continuing to do his own thing.

Dragon has never resorted to allying with mass murderers for a selfish goal. Dragon has never let loose mass murderers who marines spent lord knows how long trying to imprison.

"To not allow others to consider him a hero", cool and Dragon has freed the most slaves in the past 800 years and yet hardly anybody even knew who the fuck he was as a person. So he's not beating Dragon on the selfless department either.

So how is Luffy not more evil than Dragon? Why is Luffy letting his allegiance to his crew and his goals preventing him from joining up with his father and fighting the CD directly right now? Why did he spend 2 years in training, only to go around drinking and singing on a ship while he jumped island to island partying and fighting??

"A virtually unbeatable man", yes he became that after spending decade+ in the marines fighting alongside other marines. You expected him to betray his friends because his son chose a different path, while Garp can still remain in the marines and raise up bright marines and continue to do good as a marine?? And of course you're not going to apply this logic to other pirates or marines, just Garp.

Lol, you don't provide any reasons for Garp not making the stand Dragon did. This flashback showing when the two of them intersected and their priorities in the moment makes the entire case. Of course you'd rant about Impel Down, that was the point of me wanting to mention Luffy... and you don't realize that we're not talking about unintended consequences. We're speaking on direct consequences from a man who had the ability and chose not to use it. For the longest One Piece has argued that he stands for the greater good, but this was literally a massacre of innocent people.

We can be sure that the hole will only be dug deeper as the flashback goes on, to boot.

 

[Xione]

Lol, you don't provide any reasons for Garp not making the stand Dragon did. This flashback showing when the two of them intersected and their priorities in the moment makes the entire case. Of course you'd rant about Impel Down, that was the point of me wanting to mention Luffy... and you don't realize that we're not talking about unintended consequences. We're speaking on direct consequences from a man who had the ability and chose not to use it. For the longest One Piece has argued that he stands for the greater good, but this was literally a massacre of innocent people.

We can be sure that the hole will only be dug deeper as the flashback goes on, to boot.

Because he's not Dragon, I've stated that multiple times now, yet you keep going back to this goofy point. There is only 1 Dragon in 800 years of history of OP. Hence I asked you why are you not using "not joining Dragon" logic on other people, if that is the standard of morality.

That is a direct consequence of Luffy's actions, when he allied with Crocodile+Buggy+other criminals in escaping, when he knew that he had just fucked up the security of Impel Down that contained mass murdering criminals, he did not care for them. He simply cared about his objective. Luffy is drinking and partying away sailing from island to island, while thousands continue to be enslaved and killed by the CD at mariejois and around the world.

One Piece has argued that Garp stands for the greater good, while showing Garp chilling during Sabody arc, despite knowing about the slave auction? interesting, maybe we're reading two different One Piece.


Discussion isn't about whether Garp is perfect, it's about you proving the brainrot by Erkan right. If you're conceding that Garp is not the most evil character, idk why you're still continuing to argue. Unless you think Garp is an evil character in general, in that case you might as well label any non-RA person to be evil.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Because he's not Dragon, I've stated that multiple times now, yet you keep going back to this goofy point. There is only 1 Dragon in 800 years of history of OP. Hence I asked you why are you not using "not joining Dragon" logic on other people, if that is the standard of morality.

That is a direct consequence of Luffy's actions, when he allied with Crocodile+Buggy+other criminals in escaping, when he knew that he had just fucked up the security of Impel Down that contained mass murdering criminals, he did not care for them. He simply cared about his objective. Luffy is drinking and partying away sailing from island to island, while thousands continue to be enslaved and killed by the CD at mariejois and around the world.

One Piece has argued that Garp stands for the greater good, while showing Garp chilling during Sabody arc, despite knowing about the slave auction? interesting, maybe we're reading two different One Piece.


Discussion isn't about whether Garp is perfect, it's about you proving the brainrot by Erkan right. If you're conceding that Garp is not the most evil character, idk why you're still continuing to argue. Unless you think Garp is an evil character in general, in that case you might as well label any non-RA person to be evil.

Garp is arguably the most pivotal character in the historical war against Imu since ancient times, and I don't think you'll be able to argue that he doesn't have an understanding of the Gorosei or the true nature of the world government after this.

To say "he isn't Dragon" doesn't cover the point at all because he's the one who made Dragon.

 

[Xione]

Garp is arguably the most pivotal character in the historical war against Imu since ancient times, and I don't think you'll be able to argue that he doesn't have an understanding of the Gorosei or the true nature of the world government after this.

To say "he isn't Dragon" doesn't cover the point at all because he's the one who made Dragon.

To claim he's arguably the most pivotal character in the historical war against Imu is to imply he's played the biggest role in the war against Imu, if that is your belief why are you defending Garp being evil?? But he isn't, and neither is he portrayed to be. There's not a single marine who doesn't haave an understanding of the CD and the true nature of the World Government. Including the guy on my profile picture and dudes like Koby.

Yes he isn't Dragon, he gave birth to Dragon, but he himself isn't Dragon. There's literally nobody in 800 years of history of OP who has done what Dragon is doing right now. Garp is just like rest of the people who existed over that span, were powerful, did good things, but never stood against the CD. Saying he's more pivotal than Dragon is just baffling.

 

[kekaro]

Garp is not any different than any toptier that doesnt do anything beside him getting a paycheck

 

[Fn Lucci]

Garp is not any different than any toptier that doesnt do anything beside him getting a paycheck

Well, the paycheck is the problem. None of them were under the power of the govt.

To claim he's arguably the most pivotal character in the historical war against Imu is to imply he's played the biggest role in the war against Imu, if that is your belief why are you defending Garp being evil?? But he isn't, and neither is he portrayed to be. There's not a single marine who doesn't haave an understanding of the CD and the true nature of the World Government. Including the guy on my profile picture and dudes like Koby.

Yes he isn't Dragon, he gave birth to Dragon, but he himself isn't Dragon. There's literally nobody in 800 years of history of OP who has done what Dragon is doing right now. Garp is just like rest of the people who existed over that span, were powerful, did good things, but never stood against the CD. Saying he's more pivotal than Dragon is just baffling.

Yes, I am saying that a guy who didn't have the power to change things as he wanted, at the same age where Garp had the three Yonko running, didn't have the same chance to tip the scales. Rocks, Roger, and Garp were just as big as one another and Garp was the only one who didn't offer a threat to Imu by his own will.

 

[Xione]

Yes, I am saying that a guy who didn't have the power to change things as he wanted, at the same age where Garp had the three Yonko running, didn't have the same chance to tip the scales.

Huh? You're comparing a 17 year old Dragon to a late 30s Garp and saying Garp's more pivotal against Imu?? Doesn't make any sense.

Or are you talking about Dragon in his 30s not being as powerful as Garp in his 30s? If that's the case, you're deadass wrong. Dragon was already making headlines left and right at the ripe age of 30. But other than that we literally have 0 idea how strong Dragon was at different stages of his life. However, Dragon at 55 is literally an unprecedented figure in OP History, Garp wasn't. So yea... Garp ain't built like Dragon... nobody is.

Rocks, Roger, and Garp were just as big as one another and Garp was the only one who didn't offer a threat to Imu by his own will.

You know what Roger did after and before God Valley? Adventure around and chase after his personal goal, with 0 regard to slavery and CD brutality.
You know what Xebec did before God Valley? Gather up criminals to go after power, so he could take Imu's spot at the top as the King. lmao Yayyyy he wanted to be the King instead of Imu, our lord and savior the great good guy Xebec.
You know what Newgate did? Sat on his ass for 20 years in middle of the oceans, without lifting a single finger, without supporting the Revolutionaries...

These two had 0 obligations to marines, unlike Garp who grew up as a Marine, with lifelong friends. And they still didn't do jackshit of relevance directly to Imu other than get killed, without freeing a single slave. Boohoo. But you expect Garp to turn on the friends he'd grown up alongside fighting...ok buddy. Not like Garp can do good as a Marine, only as a RA. lol


And you continue to avoid my inquiry of why you're not applying "Should've joined the RA" to other characters who aren't Garp as a standard of morality. Everybody in OP knows what the RA does, everybody knows what the CD do.. should be 0 excuses As to why they haven't joined the RA, no?

 

[Fn Lucci]

And you continue to avoid my inquiry of why you're not applying "Should've joined the RA" to other characters who aren't Garp as a standard of morality. Everybody in OP knows what the RA does, everybody knows what the CD do.. should be 0 excuses As to why they haven't joined the RA, no?

Lmao oh God. I see why no one else has bothered today. Tbh my last response to you was just because I was already responding to another post. You will literally sit here and rant about Roger, a pirate, to vindicate Garp.

As for your question: no one joins the RA from the outside.

 

[Xione]

Lmao oh God. I see why no one else has bothered today. Tbh my last response to you was just because I was already responding to another post. You will literally sit here and rant about Roger, a pirate, to vindicate Garp.

As for your question: no one joins the RA from the outside.

Discussion: "Garp the most evil character in OP"
Me: "He ain't, plenty of people more evil. Including Newgate/Roger/etc"
You: "stop yapping about priates!!!!! GARP ISNT A PIRAAATEE!!!"

You -> Start off defending the claim garp is the most evil character
You -> Then switch to the point that it's hyperbolic statement
You -> Then continue to still defend the same stance you claimed was hyperbolic

"No one joins the RA from the outside"...... yea my dude stick to Two Piece.