General & Others Mihawk never said he was inferior to Whitebeard...
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Do people actually think Old Whitebeard was still the strongest man?
The guy who was sick, had to be on medication, old as hell past his prime?
Stronger than Shanks? Mihawk? Kaido? Shit, even Big Mom?
Whitebeard just retained the title from when he was the actual strongest man after Roger died and Shiki cut his legs off, no one defeated Whitebeard so there's no reason he'd lose the title
The guy who was sick, had to be on medication, old as hell past his prime?
Stronger than Shanks? Mihawk? Kaido? Shit, even Big Mom?
Whitebeard just retained the title from when he was the actual strongest man after Roger died and Shiki cut his legs off, no one defeated Whitebeard so there's no reason he'd lose the title
...he simply made the same observation that several others made as well.
I have seen this cope too many times that Mihawk admitted inferiority to Whitebeard by deciding to test the gap in their strength.
The truth is, that simply never happened and I grew tired of explaining to every single individual what actually happened...
...so I decided to end it once and for all with this thread.
What can you expect in this thread? Facts, common sense and the most important, context.
Even the bright individuals of OP community, with IQ above room temperature fall for the trap of looking at isolated panels.
This time, I am serving a lot of context so brace yourselves. Let's go!
To give you a sense of the battlefield, here is the map of Marineford alongside the formation of battleships and cannons.
The formation clearly suggests that they never expected Whitebeard's ships to appear where they did and several characters have confirmed this in the manga and Tsuru said their formation might be all wrong after she realized where he would resurface. They expected to fight Whitebeard outside of the Marineford bay!
However, knowing they would prepare for his arrival, Whitebeard chose to do something unorthodox, something that would allow them to avoid the barrage of all the battleships around the island as well as all the cannons around the island and instead appeared in the middle of the bay where the walls protect them from the warship cannon fire but in turn, it exposed them to all the troops Marineford had lined up. That was a risk they were willing to take.
With Whitebeard's ships appearing where nobody expected them, the leader and main strategist of the Marines thinks the following:
Sengoku's first comment upon seeing where Whitebeard appeared is that they are very CLOSE to them.
And mind you, Sengoku is the furthest away from Whitebeard considering he is all the way in the back, on the execution scaffold.
Speaking of physical locations on the map and Sengoku being furthest away, who is the closest to Whitebeard?
The front lines, next to the cannons on the walls, of course! And who is on the front lines among Mareinford troops?
Well, see for yourselves:
Nobody is physically closer to Whitebeard than Warlords at the very start of the front lines!
Do you smell what I am cooking with this?
At this point, you should indeed smell it unless you already decided that copium is your nindo.
Whitebeard is incredibly close to the front lines, no wonder several characters remarked the physical distance.
Whitebeard is barely a ship's length away from the front lines!
Now, with context served and digested, the facts are evident, several characters are thinking that Whitebeard is way too close to them.
Physically, without using a measuring stick or whatever nonsense the copium huffers were coming up with.
Nobody is starting a dick measuring contest in Marineford at that point except for agenda pushers among the OP fandom.
Two powerhouses among the Marineford troops have the same idea - Whitebeard is physically close enough to be taken out right away!
Those powerhouses are Mihawk and Kizaru. Both of them attempt to take out Whitebeard first.
Immediately after Mihawk's attempt fails, Kizaru jumps and tries the same.
Marco responds and clears up the nonsense - despite being very close to enemy troops, Whitebeard pirates are a formidable group that can take care of threats and protect the their king from being taken so early in the game!
Finally, to explain the isolated panels to the super slow among the fandom...
>What are you doing? Are you really going to fight?
What Doflamingo makes clear in this statement is that the Warlords do NOT intend to do what they are summoned to do? Fight for real.
They showed up to keep their benefits but that is all, they never intended to put their lives at stake for the sake of the World Government.
>I just want to measure the true distance between that man and us.
What Mihawk makes clear in his line is that he wants to test if the distance is really that small that Whitebeard can be taken out.
It was always about the physical distance between that man(Whitebeard) and us(Warlords, Marineford's front lines).
The copium gang always turned this into >strength difference between that man and me.
Mihawk never said that.
It was always nothing more and nothing less than a matter of reading comprehension.
Finally, after all these years, now you know, that you have been huffing copium the entire time, whether you were aware of it or not.
The only question that remains is - Will you continue to take the L due to this copium or you will continue to cope?
Kitetsu Context Delivery over and out.
I have seen this cope too many times that Mihawk admitted inferiority to Whitebeard by deciding to test the gap in their strength.
The truth is, that simply never happened and I grew tired of explaining to every single individual what actually happened...
...so I decided to end it once and for all with this thread.
What can you expect in this thread? Facts, common sense and the most important, context.
Even the bright individuals of OP community, with IQ above room temperature fall for the trap of looking at isolated panels.
This time, I am serving a lot of context so brace yourselves. Let's go!
To give you a sense of the battlefield, here is the map of Marineford alongside the formation of battleships and cannons.
However, knowing they would prepare for his arrival, Whitebeard chose to do something unorthodox, something that would allow them to avoid the barrage of all the battleships around the island as well as all the cannons around the island and instead appeared in the middle of the bay where the walls protect them from the warship cannon fire but in turn, it exposed them to all the troops Marineford had lined up. That was a risk they were willing to take.
With Whitebeard's ships appearing where nobody expected them, the leader and main strategist of the Marines thinks the following:
And mind you, Sengoku is the furthest away from Whitebeard considering he is all the way in the back, on the execution scaffold.
Speaking of physical locations on the map and Sengoku being furthest away, who is the closest to Whitebeard?
The front lines, next to the cannons on the walls, of course! And who is on the front lines among Mareinford troops?
Well, see for yourselves:
Do you smell what I am cooking with this?
At this point, you should indeed smell it unless you already decided that copium is your nindo.
Whitebeard is incredibly close to the front lines, no wonder several characters remarked the physical distance.
Now, with context served and digested, the facts are evident, several characters are thinking that Whitebeard is way too close to them.
Physically, without using a measuring stick or whatever nonsense the copium huffers were coming up with.
Nobody is starting a dick measuring contest in Marineford at that point except for agenda pushers among the OP fandom.
Two powerhouses among the Marineford troops have the same idea - Whitebeard is physically close enough to be taken out right away!
Those powerhouses are Mihawk and Kizaru. Both of them attempt to take out Whitebeard first.
Immediately after Mihawk's attempt fails, Kizaru jumps and tries the same.
Marco responds and clears up the nonsense - despite being very close to enemy troops, Whitebeard pirates are a formidable group that can take care of threats and protect the their king from being taken so early in the game!
Finally, to explain the isolated panels to the super slow among the fandom...
What Doflamingo makes clear in this statement is that the Warlords do NOT intend to do what they are summoned to do? Fight for real.
They showed up to keep their benefits but that is all, they never intended to put their lives at stake for the sake of the World Government.
>I just want to measure the true distance between that man and us.
What Mihawk makes clear in his line is that he wants to test if the distance is really that small that Whitebeard can be taken out.
It was always about the physical distance between that man(Whitebeard) and us(Warlords, Marineford's front lines).
The copium gang always turned this into >strength difference between that man and me.
Mihawk never said that.
It was always nothing more and nothing less than a matter of reading comprehension.
Finally, after all these years, now you know, that you have been huffing copium the entire time, whether you were aware of it or not.
The only question that remains is - Will you continue to take the L due to this copium or you will continue to cope?
Kitetsu Context Delivery over and out.
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guy couldnt even get close to WB and was stopped by 2 separate YCs.....
you do realize he didnt even say himself he said the combined collective of himself plus others...
additionally he could barely even scratch luffy and luffy showcased better Observation than lihawk did..
Mihawk uses 距離, which in Japanese can be used to mean the same things, figuratively or metaphorically, as it can mean in English. Emotional distance, Psychological distance, the difference between social status, rank, power, etc.
If he were specifically only talking about the physical range for sword attacks, he would use 間合い, which is a sword fighting term specifically about the "engagement distance" between two opponents in combat. I will admit there's enough ambiguity that you could mistake it to be about physical distance, but it isn't. It's about the difference in strength between the two "World's Strongest".
If he were specifically only talking about the physical range for sword attacks, he would use 間合い, which is a sword fighting term specifically about the "engagement distance" between two opponents in combat. I will admit there's enough ambiguity that you could mistake it to be about physical distance, but it isn't. It's about the difference in strength between the two "World's Strongest".
Issue is that 距離 ("distance") is indeterminate, there is no specification for what distance he is referring to. Even if it is referring to some sort of non-physical distance, nothing narrows it down to it being specifically about power difference. It's clear Oda was being deliberately ambiguous with Mihawk saying 本当の距離 (“the true distance”).
It could be referring to the power difference between Whitebeard and "us", but nothing rules out it also referring to the actual distance between Whitebeard and the Navy/Warlords not being what it seems due to Whitebeard's defenders.
It isn't a power comparison between the two "World's Strongest", Whitebeard and Mihawk, because Mihawk says "that man and us", so it is between Whitebeard and "us", not Whitebeard and Mihawk.
Oda also has these dots around the word "本当" which is for emphasis of a word, like bold or italics.
When translated it would be like
"the true distance between ourselves and that man, who seems so close…"
This just makes it more ambiguous, but there is a clear juxtaposition between Whitebeard seeming (physically) close but perhaps not actually being as close as he seems.
It could be referring to the power difference between Whitebeard and "us", but nothing rules out it also referring to the actual distance between Whitebeard and the Navy/Warlords not being what it seems due to Whitebeard's defenders.
It isn't a power comparison between the two "World's Strongest", Whitebeard and Mihawk, because Mihawk says "that man and us", so it is between Whitebeard and "us", not Whitebeard and Mihawk.
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Oda also has these dots around the word "本当" which is for emphasis of a word, like bold or italics.
When translated it would be like
"the true distance between ourselves and that man, who seems so close…"
This just makes it more ambiguous, but there is a clear juxtaposition between Whitebeard seeming (physically) close but perhaps not actually being as close as he seems.
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Whitebeard got his title when he was in his prime/peak.
Fact that he still has it in old age is not because people dont know how weak he has become its because people know no one has reached level that is above Whitebeards peak .
Mihawk reached his prime and was deemed worthy of WSS title yet he was not deemed worthy of WSM title because WB peak > MIhawk peak.
Fact that he still has it in old age is not because people dont know how weak he has become its because people know no one has reached level that is above Whitebeards peak .
Mihawk reached his prime and was deemed worthy of WSS title yet he was not deemed worthy of WSM title because WB peak > MIhawk peak.
That's because you ignore context and Kizaru attempting the same thing that Mihawk did and that is where your argument falls apart.
Reading comprehension issues, as I said from the beginning.
Reading comprehension issues, as I said from the beginning.
clearly showcased as much.... it took the entirety of the Marines combined, akainu getting squardo to sneak WB and then caught WB after a heart attack mid fight,
wb wasnt even phased and was just smiling at mihawks slash, then again when lizaru tried to do soemthing and guess what Marco was handling lizaru with ease, the guy then blew out akainus meteors like a candle....he then negged a giant one handed and tossed him around like he was a play toy, while being onehanded and being forced down by shear force alone he threw john giant back with ease... then while being 100% akainu had to sneak WB after Aokiji and wasnt even able to win in a clash & then WB ate his point blank magma punch..
lol lihawk is the guy that couldnt even get past Wista or 20yo Shanks....
wb wasnt even phased and was just smiling at mihawks slash, then again when lizaru tried to do soemthing and guess what Marco was handling lizaru with ease, the guy then blew out akainus meteors like a candle....he then negged a giant one handed and tossed him around like he was a play toy, while being onehanded and being forced down by shear force alone he threw john giant back with ease... then while being 100% akainu had to sneak WB after Aokiji and wasnt even able to win in a clash & then WB ate his point blank magma punch..
lol lihawk is the guy that couldnt even get past Wista or 20yo Shanks....