Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse
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I didn't said it was special but different. Just like in Naruto chakra is physical and spiritual energy but despite it they couldn't physical harm suigetsu normally with it.
spiritual beings like who? Goku and the people in that universe live in the mortal plane. Shinigami live in a separate universe altogether .
not really the only way a shinigami can die is mainly depends on the amount of reiatsu one has and it's not due to ki blasts.
it was not stated to be tuberculosis they are Spirit so it's not some normal sickness. We not sure what he has.
yeah not the point
Chad has reiryoku Goku doesn't. Ki and reiryoku seems similar but functions completely differently from one another.
spiritual beings like who? Goku and the people in that universe live in the mortal plane. Shinigami live in a separate universe altogether .
not really the only way a shinigami can die is mainly depends on the amount of reiatsu one has and it's not due to ki blasts.
it was not stated to be tuberculosis they are Spirit so it's not some normal sickness. We not sure what he has.
yeah not the point
Chad has reiryoku Goku doesn't. Ki and reiryoku seems similar but functions completely differently from one another.
Suigetsu can make himself intangible and replace his body with water, moot point.
You had Kid Buu about to destroy the entire afterlife after being able to teleport.
Bullshit
Stop pulling up made up shit. It was a terminal illness and treated as nothing more in the story
Doesn’t matter
Reiryoku is described in Clorox as residing in all living things since it’s just generic spiritual energy, and anyone having above average amounts
try again, Bleachtard
You had Kid Buu about to destroy the entire afterlife after being able to teleport.
Bullshit
Stop pulling up made up shit. It was a terminal illness and treated as nothing more in the story
Doesn’t matter
Reiryoku is described in Clorox as residing in all living things since it’s just generic spiritual energy, and anyone having above average amounts
try again, Bleachtard
The only one who might pull something up are:
Yhwach(Almighty),Aizen(hypnosis),Gremmy( Reality warping), Ichibei(Hax) and Yamamato(Bankai sun lvl power(core heat).
And the problem starts in most case:
They are to slow.
To use his hyponosis, Nappa need to see the sword, Gremmy need to use his power, same as Yamamato and Ichibei. And all of them are slower than Nappa who would blitz them.
Leading again with Yhwach who can see the future and act on it via changing it. Only question is, does his almighty work against a physical monster like Nappa? There is a limit, Nappa is beyond that lvl.
The problem with Nappa, he is cocky.
And this might be the only reason why Yamamato and co could maybe pull the W, against Vegeta as example, they would get wrecked hard.
Yhwach(Almighty),Aizen(hypnosis),Gremmy( Reality warping), Ichibei(Hax) and Yamamato(Bankai sun lvl power(core heat).
And the problem starts in most case:
They are to slow.
To use his hyponosis, Nappa need to see the sword, Gremmy need to use his power, same as Yamamato and Ichibei. And all of them are slower than Nappa who would blitz them.
Leading again with Yhwach who can see the future and act on it via changing it. Only question is, does his almighty work against a physical monster like Nappa? There is a limit, Nappa is beyond that lvl.
The problem with Nappa, he is cocky.
And this might be the only reason why Yamamato and co could maybe pull the W, against Vegeta as example, they would get wrecked hard.
lieutenant class shinigami can kill nappa.
and zanpakuto can cut souls itself something that suigetsu has.
the afterlife is still within that macrocosm it's not a separate universe that's why Goku and kid Buu can teleport there for some odd reason. Also kid Buu is still made of physical matter.
bro you're the one who made up the shit it was tuberculosis.
you called it generic but Goku doesn't have it which means Goku can't see spiritual beings.
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and zanpakuto can cut souls itself something that suigetsu has.
the afterlife is still within that macrocosm it's not a separate universe that's why Goku and kid Buu can teleport there for some odd reason. Also kid Buu is still made of physical matter.
bro you're the one who made up the shit it was tuberculosis.
you called it generic but Goku doesn't have it which means Goku can't see spiritual beings.
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Does Bleach even have a single feat on a cosmic scale? I don't think so.
I mean, they can use the "This was stated to be a realm" statements but pocket dimensions exist for a reason. Also, if we take such things at value, then Kaguya Otsutsuki created her dimensions (containing a sun) with its own space and time continuum. Unlike Yhwach, who was about to destroy the 3 realms, she actually created a few dimensions.
I mean, does it really?
Yamamoto had his Bankai active for a while and people began feeling the heat after a few minutes at best. Even the Yhwach fake was standing in front of it, due to his Quincy defence technique "Blut", until he got atomized. So how long would it last until Yamamoto roasted the planet's surface? Meanwhile, DBZ characters can easily nuke planets if they want. They can also take - and sometimes even TANK - those energy attacks which are about to destroy the planet. Goku vs Cell is one example. Buu vs several characters have dozens of examples.
So I don't see what Yamamoto's heat is gonna do tbh. If they protect themselves with KI barrier, they should be able to resist Yamamoto's Bankai for a bit which is more than enough time to nuke his ass.
I mean, they can use the "This was stated to be a realm" statements but pocket dimensions exist for a reason. Also, if we take such things at value, then Kaguya Otsutsuki created her dimensions (containing a sun) with its own space and time continuum. Unlike Yhwach, who was about to destroy the 3 realms, she actually created a few dimensions.
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I mean, does it really?
Yamamoto had his Bankai active for a while and people began feeling the heat after a few minutes at best. Even the Yhwach fake was standing in front of it, due to his Quincy defence technique "Blut", until he got atomized. So how long would it last until Yamamoto roasted the planet's surface? Meanwhile, DBZ characters can easily nuke planets if they want. They can also take - and sometimes even TANK - those energy attacks which are about to destroy the planet. Goku vs Cell is one example. Buu vs several characters have dozens of examples.
So I don't see what Yamamoto's heat is gonna do tbh. If they protect themselves with KI barrier, they should be able to resist Yamamoto's Bankai for a bit which is more than enough time to nuke his ass.
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that's not a feat there's no time nor space in that dimension they were fighting in. Shaking something is better than shaking nothing.
hax abilities trumps over destructive power besides weaker attacks can harm Goku regardless if they are planetary or not. And destroying planets is impressive for Frieza, cell, and Buu because they can survive the vacuum of space Goku and them can't.
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hax abilities trumps over destructive power besides weaker attacks can harm Goku regardless if they are planetary or not. And destroying planets is impressive for Frieza, cell, and Buu because they can survive the vacuum of space Goku and them can't.
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I) Dragon Ball characters regularly launch planetary level attacks at each other without destroying planets. They just don't aim at the feckin planet they're standing on. Lol.
Also mega lol at "hax abilities >>> destructive power" when two of Bleach's strongest characters in Kenpachi and Ichigo are just dudes who swing swords hard.
You aren't convincing me that hax >>> power in the context of Bleach when Kenpachi out-muscled a fucking reality warper.
Hax abilities in Bleach aren't treated as the reason why certain characters are Top Tier, they are treated as merely additional abilities. Yhwach, Aizen, Ichibe etc. are still top tiers without their hax. They are still treated as needing raw physical power in order to be Top Tiers.
II) You missed the point here. The characters in Bleach with those super hax abilities are basically the Top Tiers, the outliers.
Even in the scenario that Yhwach and Ichibe or whatever can hax out Beerus or Zeno, that still doesn't change the fact that the average Bleach character gets shredded by the average Dragon Ball character.
Master Roshi back in Dragon Ball blew up the moon. Every character from Raditz onwards is a casual moon buster. Every character that is equal to or stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is a planet killer. That includes feckin Cui who was stated to be equal to Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
Can you honestly say that the Bleach equivalent of Cui is a moon buster/planet killer?
Outliers aren't indicative of the verse as a whole. Planet killers would be automatic Top Tiers in Bleach. Planet killers are a dime a dozen in Dragon Ball.
Also mega lol at "hax abilities >>> destructive power" when two of Bleach's strongest characters in Kenpachi and Ichigo are just dudes who swing swords hard.
You aren't convincing me that hax >>> power in the context of Bleach when Kenpachi out-muscled a fucking reality warper.
Hax abilities in Bleach aren't treated as the reason why certain characters are Top Tier, they are treated as merely additional abilities. Yhwach, Aizen, Ichibe etc. are still top tiers without their hax. They are still treated as needing raw physical power in order to be Top Tiers.
II) You missed the point here. The characters in Bleach with those super hax abilities are basically the Top Tiers, the outliers.
Even in the scenario that Yhwach and Ichibe or whatever can hax out Beerus or Zeno, that still doesn't change the fact that the average Bleach character gets shredded by the average Dragon Ball character.
Master Roshi back in Dragon Ball blew up the moon. Every character from Raditz onwards is a casual moon buster. Every character that is equal to or stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is a planet killer. That includes feckin Cui who was stated to be equal to Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
Can you honestly say that the Bleach equivalent of Cui is a moon buster/planet killer?
Outliers aren't indicative of the verse as a whole. Planet killers would be automatic Top Tiers in Bleach. Planet killers are a dime a dozen in Dragon Ball.
@Owl Ki
This @Killer#777 guy pretends as if the DBZ verse has to deal with some Medaka Box level characters or something like that who genuinely have broken hax while we have several examples of physical power houses dealing with haxed Bleach characters lol. The delusions are strong and I cannot take anyone seriously who entertains the "realm = universe" headcanon even remotely.
This @Killer#777 guy pretends as if the DBZ verse has to deal with some Medaka Box level characters or something like that who genuinely have broken hax while we have several examples of physical power houses dealing with haxed Bleach characters lol. The delusions are strong and I cannot take anyone seriously who entertains the "realm = universe" headcanon even remotely.
Gremmy alone basically shuts the entire argument down. Bloke was a straight up reality warper that could turn anything he imagined in his head into reality.
That in-universe description of his power should have made him a God Tier in Bleach if Bleach actually respected the concept of hax. Bleach in fact doesn't so instead he got hit too many times by a muscly sword guy and he was just a general mook of the Sternritters. He wasn't even part of Yhwach's personal guard. He was placed on the same rank as a generic explosion girl and a hypnosis dude. Utter lmao.
That in-universe description of his power should have made him a God Tier in Bleach if Bleach actually respected the concept of hax. Bleach in fact doesn't so instead he got hit too many times by a muscly sword guy and he was just a general mook of the Sternritters. He wasn't even part of Yhwach's personal guard. He was placed on the same rank as a generic explosion girl and a hypnosis dude. Utter lmao.
THIS...
You can´t come in this thread telling people Bleach would win because of hax and that Dragonball physical different wont matter when we literally have Kenpachi and Ichigo who doesn´t even have hax powers on their own and yet easily defeating these "hax" monsters.
Ask yourself this question, Kenpachi vs Radditz as example, how the fight would go?
Radditz would stomp Kenpachi if we be honest here, same with Ichigo...
Saiyajin arc characters are already enough here.
It is not need for Frieza or co...
You can´t come in this thread telling people Bleach would win because of hax and that Dragonball physical different wont matter when we literally have Kenpachi and Ichigo who doesn´t even have hax powers on their own and yet easily defeating these "hax" monsters.
Ask yourself this question, Kenpachi vs Radditz as example, how the fight would go?
Radditz would stomp Kenpachi if we be honest here, same with Ichigo...
Saiyajin arc characters are already enough here.
It is not need for Frieza or co...