Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

im specifically talking about studies on the rate of females not accepting males in their sex separated spaces, regardless of gender identity. feel free to hit me up with those deep details we just talked about.

if that is your response to a biologically correct statement, alright.

Sure

i personally dont have any issue with brown individuals in my spaces

I modified one word in your post. I hope you will understand the problem.

Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?

Because that what it feels like. Dehumanization is a spectrum.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.

Being white is not the same as being brown. You don't see white people restricting brown people from their space tho...

Wait...

A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now

I agree. Probably yes. This is a very possible future. But it's a future in which patriarchy and cisnormativity do not exist anymore, which is as far as the sun. For the moment, trans are suffering, so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.

not at all my guy.

ok

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Being white is not the same as being brown. You don't see white people restricting brown people from their space tho...

Wait...

According to this logic there should only be unisex bathrooms

 

[Zenos7]

I modified one word in your post. I hope you will understand the problem.

i definitely understand from all your replies you dont have anything substantial to offer

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According to this logic there should only be unisex bathrooms

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ok

yeah its still baffling that you connect disagreement to lack of understanding

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Your eternal victimization mentality is abhorrent.
You act like you may speak for every marginalized community that you're not part of and the ones you are part of you deem yourself the sole representative.

 

[Zenos7]

so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.

not necessarily at the expense of other people who are also vulnerable though. . . .

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Your eternal victimization mentality is abhorrent.
You act like you may speak for every marginalized community that you're not part of and the ones you are part of you deem yourself the sole representative.

but he only speaks for marginalized people if convenient to the point/agenda, as evident by him saying "talk to women" (marginalized btw) only for him to completely deflect from this immediately by calling ~half the female population transphobes who are dehumanizing transgender individuals.

 

[Logiko]

According to this logic there should only be unisex bathrooms

No. We can't live in capitalism like we would in communism. We have to do things the hard way. Men will not stop being a danger to women just because of unisex bathrooms. Especially transwomen that are massively in danger around men.

i definitely understand from all your replies you dont have anything substantial to offer

No, i just passed the troll mode threadshold, meaning that you tired me out to the point of nullyfying my need/toc to reply for tonight. For tonight, I'll no longer waste my time in carring about the ignorant things you will be saying.

You act like you may speak for every marginalized community that you're not part of and the ones you are part of you deem yourself the sole representative.

I'm not, I'm only sharing what THEY are saying. My words are only their words, sometime copying even sentences for sentences.

not necessarily at the expense of other people who are also vulnerable though. . . .

At what expense? The risk of seeing a trans women peeing while standing?

 

[Zenos7]

At what expense? The risk of seeing a trans women peeing while standing?

if you want to downplay the concerns of females in this way be my guest.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I agree. Probably yes. This is a very possible future. But it's a future in which patriarchy and cisnormativity do not exist anymore, which is as far as the sun. For the moment, trans are suffering, so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.

My dude
Human races don't exist , skin color and appearance are a spectrum.
Biological sex, on the other hand, is reality. We can't act like it doesn't exist or that it doesn't influence how societies are built.
What we do have influence over is how we allow it to shape the way we interact with one another. We are homo sapiens, as of right now we're still reproducing sexually, you can't rip someone's finger off and plant it in the soil expecting a new person to grow.

No. We can't live in capitalism like we would in communism. We have to do things the hard way. Men will not stop being a danger to women just because of unisex bathrooms. Especially transwomen that are massively in danger around men.

Goalpost moving 101

 

[Zenos7]

Men will not stop being a danger to women

unless they are transgender of course, and fuck females feeling unsafe in sensitive spaces around biological males, damned bigots, maybe we should revoke their right to vote again smh

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Goalpost moving 101

this among appeal to emotion and strawmanning = logikos MO

 

[Mathias]

Bathrooms or toilets ?

You're Turkish aka at the source
.

I know the way

 

[Zenos7]

No, i just passed the troll mode threadshold, meaning that you tired me out to the point of nullyfying my need/toc to reply for tonight. For tonight, I'll no longer waste my time in carring about the ignorant things you will be saying.

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can we also appreciate how logiko is telling people who think unisex toilets might be a better way to include transgender individuals that they are excluding and dehumanizing them?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I know the way

I'll eat a broomstick if you of all people don't have good hair genes.
My Albanian ancestors got their good hair genes from your people after all.

 

[Zenos7]

Bathrooms or toilets ?

changing rooms?

 

[AL sama]

if you want to downplay the concerns of females in this way be my guest.

not to mention men can easily disguise as trans women

I m speechless

 

[Zenos7]

not to mention men can easily disguise as trans women

I m speechless

this must be the ultimate irony, someone who mentions the dangers of the patriarchy left and right wants to impose on females to share sensitive spaces with biological males and calls them transphobes if they oppose this idea.

 

[Logiko]

if you want to downplay the concerns of females in this way be my guest.

Why should I listen to Terf exactly? Do you see me listening to racist women to talk about something that don't concern them?

Human races don't exist , skin color and appearance are a spectrum.
Biological sex, on the other hand, is reality.

Too bad, it's also a social construction. (but that's a bit technique and I don't want to make explanation tonight)

We can't act like it doesn't exist or that it doesn't influence how societies are built.

You mean trans people ? Yeah, they exist, we can't ac t like they don't. Which is why we must include them and not create prejudice based on nothing but appearance.

Goalpost moving 101

I think you are the one creating an entire "unisex" goal post here.

unless they are transgender of course

Trans women are women. So when I talk about trans women, I talk about women. Men are a danger to trans women too.

and fuck females feeling unsafe in sensitive spaces around biological males

So do you also empathize with white women feeling unsafe about biological brown women being in their sensitive space?

can we also appreciate how logiko is telling people who think unisex toilets might be a better way to include transgender individuals that they are excluding and dehumanizing them?

This guy does not understand sociology

not to mention men can easily disguise as trans women

Oh right, the famous men's hobby. Men love to disguise as trans women all over the globe, am I right?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

not to mention men can easily disguise as trans women

I m speechless

https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/21...wing-extremist-to-serve-time-in-womens-prison

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-extremist-trans-neo-nazi-gender-law-v2/a-73779265

I'm sure @Zenos7 heard of this. This neonazi is obviously not trans😂.
This guy is taking the piss out of the German law by showing them now vulnerable their policies are to exploitation.
Germany's current mainstream left are ridiculously naive and seem to this the world can be run in a love, love, peace peace kind of way, that good always wins and that nobody would ever get the idea to use their softness to take them down.
It's the same as with the pro caliphate protesters that are protected under free speech.

 

[Zenos7]

No, i just passed the troll mode threadshold, meaning that you tired me out to the point of nullyfying my need/toc to reply for tonight. For tonight, I'll no longer waste my time in carring about the ignorant things you will be saying.

Why should I listen to Terf exactly? Do you see me listening to racist women to talk about something that don't concern them?

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This guy does not understand sociology

me pointing out you strawmanning people = me not understanding sociology.

always a blast to read your nonsense

 

[Mathias]

Women and men are all showering together in Starship Troopers. They seemed to be having a great time.

 

[Zenos7]

It's the same as with the pro caliphate protesters that are protected under free speech.

thats technically not true, because calling for a caliphate is anticonstitutional and a protest with a clear motivation would not be allowed. they circumvented this by registering their protest on some other topic and then made it about the caliphate.

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Women and men are all showering together in Starship Troopers. They seemed to be having a great time.

at my workplace i also change next to females, though we dont go nude.

but that is an environment with only a couple people where this is agreed upon, not a public place