depends, since some intersex people actually fit either biological definition and some dont. the ones who dont we call intersex. the ones who do we still call intersex due to their condition, but technically they are male/female (and we could just call them that tbh), and some conditions dont even stop them from reproducing.
 
Actually you have no ideas how deep real studies go to explain just how transphobic this behavior is right now.
im specifically talking about studies on the rate of females not accepting males in their sex separated spaces, regardless of gender identity. feel free to hit me up with those deep details we just talked about.
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if that is your response to a biologically correct statement, alright.
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And this is the reason why you are dehumanizing trans people
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im not though, and legit a couple posts above this i said i personally dont have any issue with transgender individuals in my spaces
:seriously:
 
I did shave my head once and realised I’mma be screwed one day. The difference in treatment is radical.
You're Turkish aka at the source


Because creating another place just implies that trans people do not belong in the place reserved for their gender. It's dehumanizing them.
For what reasons ? Their appearance
And what about intersex people? Do they need another bathroom too because they do not look like the "norm"?
Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?

As I see it, one big problem is the reinforcement of the binary norm.
If you take a look at other cultures who traditionally know of more than 2 genders, they usually have a 3rd gender altogether or even more. The current trans debate expects individuals to conform to pre existing male and female boxes.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.

Society needs to evolve to a point where everyone is accepted for who they are. As long as the binary standard is prevalent, trans people will have a harder time struggling to accept their physical reality.
A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now, the reconciliation of one sex's body and the other gender's mind don't seem to work foe many people, leading to gender dysphoria and eventual medical procedures that are often taxing on body and mind and may lead to health complications.

Unfortunately to everyone's detriment, the ones feigning trans allyship are corporations that make a lot of money through surgery and hormones.

The medical industry managed to create an entirely new pationt group out of thin air by selling them the dream of changing their place in the binary, dualistic society we currently live with.

We must leave behind this narrow world view and embrace humans for who they are goddamnit.


controversial take but the unisex one should be smaller as the rate of trans people is far lower than the rate of cis people iirc
Unisex means for everyone. Like unisex clothing for example.
 
You're Turkish aka at the source



Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?

As I see it, one big problem is the reinforcement of the binary norm.
If you take a look at other cultures who traditionally know of more than 2 genders, they usually have a 3rd gender altogether or even more. The current trans debate expects individuals to conform to pre existing male and female boxes.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.

Society needs to evolve to a point where everyone is accepted for who they are. As long as the binary standard is prevalent, trans people will have a harder time struggling to accept their physical reality.
A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now, the reconciliation of one sex's body and the other gender's mind don't seem to work foe many people, leading to gender dysphoria and eventual medical procedures that are often taxing on body and mind and may lead to health complications.

Unfortunately to everyone's detriment, the ones feigning trans allyship are corporations that make a lot of money through surgery and hormones.

The medical industry managed to create an entirely new pationt group out of thin air by selling them the dream of changing their place in the binary, dualistic society we currently live with.

We must leave behind this narrow world view and embrace humans for who they are goddamnit.



Unisex means for everyone. Like unisex clothing for example.
My point still stands
 
im specifically talking about studies on the rate of females not accepting males in their sex separated spaces, regardless of gender identity. feel free to hit me up with those deep details we just talked about.
if that is your response to a biologically correct statement, alright.
Sure:Fruit_Merchant:


i personally dont have any issue with brown individuals in my spaces
I modified one word in your post. I hope you will understand the problem.

:GoodLuck:


Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?
Because that what it feels like. Dehumanization is a spectrum.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.
Being white is not the same as being brown. You don't see white people restricting brown people from their space tho...

Wait...



A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now
I agree. Probably yes. This is a very possible future. But it's a future in which patriarchy and cisnormativity do not exist anymore, which is as far as the sun. For the moment, trans are suffering, so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.


not at all my guy.
ok:Luffy_Roll:
 
so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.
not necessarily at the expense of other people who are also vulnerable though. . . .
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Your eternal victimization mentality is abhorrent.
You act like you may speak for every marginalized community that you're not part of and the ones you are part of you deem yourself the sole representative.
but he only speaks for marginalized people if convenient to the point/agenda, as evident by him saying "talk to women" (marginalized btw) only for him to completely deflect from this immediately by calling ~half the female population transphobes who are dehumanizing transgender individuals.
 
According to this logic there should only be unisex bathrooms
No. We can't live in capitalism like we would in communism. We have to do things the hard way. Men will not stop being a danger to women just because of unisex bathrooms. Especially transwomen that are massively in danger around men.


i definitely understand from all your replies you dont have anything substantial to offer
No, i just passed the troll mode threadshold, meaning that you tired me out to the point of nullyfying my need/toc to reply for tonight. For tonight, I'll no longer waste my time in carring about the ignorant things you will be saying.


You act like you may speak for every marginalized community that you're not part of and the ones you are part of you deem yourself the sole representative.
I'm not, I'm only sharing what THEY are saying. My words are only their words, sometime copying even sentences for sentences.


not necessarily at the expense of other people who are also vulnerable though. . . .
At what expense? The risk of seeing a trans women peeing while standing?
 
I agree. Probably yes. This is a very possible future. But it's a future in which patriarchy and cisnormativity do not exist anymore, which is as far as the sun. For the moment, trans are suffering, so the best thing to do is to include them instead of rejecting them.
My dude
Human races don't exist , skin color and appearance are a spectrum.
Biological sex, on the other hand, is reality. We can't act like it doesn't exist or that it doesn't influence how societies are built.
What we do have influence over is how we allow it to shape the way we interact with one another. We are homo sapiens, as of right now we're still reproducing sexually, you can't rip someone's finger off and plant it in the soil expecting a new person to grow.
No. We can't live in capitalism like we would in communism. We have to do things the hard way. Men will not stop being a danger to women just because of unisex bathrooms. Especially transwomen that are massively in danger around men.
Goalpost moving 101 :queenmoji:
 
No, i just passed the troll mode threadshold, meaning that you tired me out to the point of nullyfying my need/toc to reply for tonight. For tonight, I'll no longer waste my time in carring about the ignorant things you will be saying.
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can we also appreciate how logiko is telling people who think unisex toilets might be a better way to include transgender individuals that they are excluding and dehumanizing them?

:finally:
 
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