Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

Well it wouldn't be the politics thread without some random racist remarks every now and then

Non tannable skin is clearly inferior

what's wrong wit having a separate place??

Best option is: one big unisex room and one smaller male/female one each.
Depending on the situation, cis men and women will appreciate the availability of more free toilets. I can't count how often I was somewhere with my parents as a kid and had to wait because all the womens' rooms were occupied, with the men's rooms sometimes nearly empty.

 

[Logiko]

what's wrong wit having a separate place??

Because creating another place just implies that trans people do not belong in the place reserved for their gender. It's dehumanizing them.
For what reasons ? Their appearance
And what about intersex people? Do they need another bathroom too because they do not look like the "norm"?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Non tannable skin is clearly inferior

Best option is: one big unisex room and one smaller male/female one each.
Depending on the situation, cis men and women will appreciate the availability of more free toilets. I can't count how often I was somewhere with my parents as a kid and had to wait because all the womens' rooms were occupied, with the men's rooms sometimes nearly empty.

controversial take but the unisex one should be smaller as the rate of trans people is far lower than the rate of cis people iirc

 

[AL sama]

Non tannable skin is clearly inferior

Best option is: one big unisex room and one smaller male/female one each.
Depending on the situation, cis men and women will appreciate the availability of more free toilets. I can't count how often I was somewhere with my parents as a kid and had to wait because all the womens' rooms were occupied, with the men's rooms sometimes nearly empty.

I mean we don't really have that many trans people but yeah sure

 

[Zenos7]

Talk to trans people, that's all I will say.

what happened to "talk to women"?

you basically called like half the population transphobic
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So you are okay with transwomen going to Women's bathroom then?

i personally wouldnt mind transgender individuals in male restroom spaces or whatever, but a huge portion of the female population thinks otherwise. but since they are filthy transphobes we should just talk and listen to the females agreeing with your takes of course. silly me
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I think both should be taken into consideration

I mean I don't think trans men are safe in men's restroom either

fair

 

[AL sama]

Because creating another place just implies that trans people do not belong in the place reserved for their gender. It's dehumanizing them.
For what reasons ? Their appearance
And what about intersex people? Do they need another bathroom too because they do not look like the "norm"?

my bad I forgot how idealistic you are

reality is compromising is necessary

 

[Logiko]

what happened to "talk to women"?

you basically called like half the population transphobic

i personally wouldnt mind transgender individuals in male restroom spaces or whatever, but a huge portion of the female population thinks otherwise. but since they are filthy transphobes we should just talk and listen to the females agreeing with your takes of course. silly me

I mean, do you ask white people if they are fine if you invite racialized people at a party?

my bad I forgot how idealistic you are

reality is compromising is necessary

 

[Zenos7]

controversial take but the unisex one should be smaller as the rate of trans people is far lower than the rate of cis people iirc

but the cis people who are not uncomfortable with sharing that space with the other sex can also use the unisex toilet. unisex doesnt mean its only for transgender individuals?!
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I mean, do you ask white people if they are fine if you invite racialized people at a party?

your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

but the cis people who are not uncomfortable with sharing that space with the other sex can also use the unisex toilet. unisex doesnt mean its only for transgender individuals?!
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your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.

:risicheck:

 

[Zenos7]

:risicheck:

like you didnt know what unisex means?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

like you didnt know what unisex means?

my point stands regardless

 

[Logiko]

your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.

No, the analogy is exactly correct. We are talking about prejudice based on appearance. Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women is the same as asking if white people are ok if racialized people come to a party where everybody feel safe.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

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Absolute ignorant.

You talking about yourself.

All you think is how to tell others how to live their lifes and never to respect them

 

[Logiko]

You talking about yourself.

All you think is how to tell others how to live their lifes and never to respect them

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1978166872383094844

 

[Zenos7]

No, the analogy is exactly correct. We are talking about prejudice based on appearance. Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women is the same as asking if white people are ok if racialized people come to a party where everybody feel safe.

you are talking about prejudice. im talking about a very huge portion of the population that feels uncomfortable with the opposite sex in their sex separated spaces. are some of these individuals uncomfortable with that idea because of prejudice? sure maybe. but that doesnt mean its all of them.

at the core of this is the difference in biological sex, so they probably have an issue with males looking like females due to whatever changes to their appearance (be it makeup, surgery, clothing or whatever) using these spaces as well.

i dont think the relevant studies go this deep into the details though.
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Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women

and this is exactly the issue of gender-based definitions for these terms and why i used female/male explicitly.

 

[Logiko]

you are talking about prejudice. im talking about a very huge portion of the population that feels uncomfortable with the opposite sex in their sex separated spaces.

And? White supremacist are also uncomfortable with brown people being in everyday spaces, do you see me ask for their advice on the matter? The feeling of insecurity is not always legitimate boy.

but that doesnt mean its all of them.

There is no reason not to accept trans people other than prejucide and transphobia.

at the core of this is the difference in biological sex, so they probably have an issue with males looking like females due to whatever changes to their appearance (be it makeup, surgery, clothing or whatever) using these spaces as well.

Hep Einstein, how do you call intersex people? Male or female?

i dont think the relevant studies go this deep into the details though.

Actually you have no ideas how deep real studies go to explain just how transphobic this behavior is right now.

 

[Uncle Van]

my dad is almost 70 and isn't bald

Now thats some unfair bullshit

 

[Zenos7]

There is no reason not to accept trans people other than prejucide and transphobia.

if you are a crazy radical ideologue, sure. dont talk for normal people though

 

[Logiko]

and this is exactly the issue of gender-based definitions for these terms and why i used female/male explicitly.

And this is the reason why you are dehumanizing trans people

if you are a crazy radical ideologue, sure. dont talk for normal people though

Actually in this case, you are the ideologue, completely ignorant on gender studies and I'm the one with the knowledge on the subject.

That's why I'm a materialist and you are an idealist bebou

 

[Zenos7]

Hep Einstein, how do you call intersex people? Male or female?

depends, since some intersex people actually fit either biological definition and some dont. the ones who dont we call intersex. the ones who do we still call intersex due to their condition, but technically they are male/female (and we could just call them that tbh), and some conditions dont even stop them from reproducing.