what happened to "talk to women"?

you basically called like half the population transphobic
:GoodLuck:


i personally wouldnt mind transgender individuals in male restroom spaces or whatever, but a huge portion of the female population thinks otherwise. but since they are filthy transphobes we should just talk and listen to the females agreeing with your takes of course. silly me
I mean, do you ask white people if they are fine if you invite racialized people at a party?


my bad I forgot how idealistic you are

reality is compromising is necessary
:GoodLuck:
 
controversial take but the unisex one should be smaller as the rate of trans people is far lower than the rate of cis people iirc
but the cis people who are not uncomfortable with sharing that space with the other sex can also use the unisex toilet. unisex doesnt mean its only for transgender individuals?!
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I mean, do you ask white people if they are fine if you invite racialized people at a party?
your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.
 
but the cis people who are not uncomfortable with sharing that space with the other sex can also use the unisex toilet. unisex doesnt mean its only for transgender individuals?!
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your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.
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your analogy would work better if it is a female only party and i ask females if its ok if i invite males.

what im saying is your analogy is horse shit.
No, the analogy is exactly correct. We are talking about prejudice based on appearance. Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women is the same as asking if white people are ok if racialized people come to a party where everybody feel safe.
 
No, the analogy is exactly correct. We are talking about prejudice based on appearance. Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women is the same as asking if white people are ok if racialized people come to a party where everybody feel safe.
you are talking about prejudice. im talking about a very huge portion of the population that feels uncomfortable with the opposite sex in their sex separated spaces. are some of these individuals uncomfortable with that idea because of prejudice? sure maybe. but that doesnt mean its all of them.

at the core of this is the difference in biological sex, so they probably have an issue with males looking like females due to whatever changes to their appearance (be it makeup, surgery, clothing or whatever) using these spaces as well.

i dont think the relevant studies go this deep into the details though.
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Asking women if they are fine about other women coming in their bathrooms because of the appearance of other women
and this is exactly the issue of gender-based definitions for these terms and why i used female/male explicitly.
 
you are talking about prejudice. im talking about a very huge portion of the population that feels uncomfortable with the opposite sex in their sex separated spaces.
And? White supremacist are also uncomfortable with brown people being in everyday spaces, do you see me ask for their advice on the matter? The feeling of insecurity is not always legitimate boy.


but that doesnt mean its all of them.
There is no reason not to accept trans people other than prejucide and transphobia.


at the core of this is the difference in biological sex, so they probably have an issue with males looking like females due to whatever changes to their appearance (be it makeup, surgery, clothing or whatever) using these spaces as well.
Hep Einstein, how do you call intersex people? Male or female?


i dont think the relevant studies go this deep into the details though.
Actually you have no ideas how deep real studies go to explain just how transphobic this behavior is right now.
 
and this is exactly the issue of gender-based definitions for these terms and why i used female/male explicitly.
And this is the reason why you are dehumanizing trans people
:kayneshrug:

if you are a crazy radical ideologue, sure. dont talk for normal people though
Actually in this case, you are the ideologue, completely ignorant on gender studies and I'm the one with the knowledge on the subject.

That's why I'm a materialist and you are an idealist bebou
 
Hep Einstein, how do you call intersex people? Male or female?
depends, since some intersex people actually fit either biological definition and some dont. the ones who dont we call intersex. the ones who do we still call intersex due to their condition, but technically they are male/female (and we could just call them that tbh), and some conditions dont even stop them from reproducing.
 
Actually you have no ideas how deep real studies go to explain just how transphobic this behavior is right now.
im specifically talking about studies on the rate of females not accepting males in their sex separated spaces, regardless of gender identity. feel free to hit me up with those deep details we just talked about.
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if that is your response to a biologically correct statement, alright.
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And this is the reason why you are dehumanizing trans people
:kayneshrug:
im not though, and legit a couple posts above this i said i personally dont have any issue with transgender individuals in my spaces
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I did shave my head once and realised I’mma be screwed one day. The difference in treatment is radical.
You're Turkish aka at the source


Because creating another place just implies that trans people do not belong in the place reserved for their gender. It's dehumanizing them.
For what reasons ? Their appearance
And what about intersex people? Do they need another bathroom too because they do not look like the "norm"?
Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?

As I see it, one big problem is the reinforcement of the binary norm.
If you take a look at other cultures who traditionally know of more than 2 genders, they usually have a 3rd gender altogether or even more. The current trans debate expects individuals to conform to pre existing male and female boxes.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.

Society needs to evolve to a point where everyone is accepted for who they are. As long as the binary standard is prevalent, trans people will have a harder time struggling to accept their physical reality.
A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now, the reconciliation of one sex's body and the other gender's mind don't seem to work foe many people, leading to gender dysphoria and eventual medical procedures that are often taxing on body and mind and may lead to health complications.

Unfortunately to everyone's detriment, the ones feigning trans allyship are corporations that make a lot of money through surgery and hormones.

The medical industry managed to create an entirely new pationt group out of thin air by selling them the dream of changing their place in the binary, dualistic society we currently live with.

We must leave behind this narrow world view and embrace humans for who they are goddamnit.


controversial take but the unisex one should be smaller as the rate of trans people is far lower than the rate of cis people iirc
Unisex means for everyone. Like unisex clothing for example.
 
You're Turkish aka at the source



Why do you feel the need to use the word 'dehumanizing' in such an.inflationary manner?

As I see it, one big problem is the reinforcement of the binary norm.
If you take a look at other cultures who traditionally know of more than 2 genders, they usually have a 3rd gender altogether or even more. The current trans debate expects individuals to conform to pre existing male and female boxes.

Understanding that a trans woman is not the same as a cis woman is not dehumanizing. It's accepting reality.

Society needs to evolve to a point where everyone is accepted for who they are. As long as the binary standard is prevalent, trans people will have a harder time struggling to accept their physical reality.
A society that accepts a trans person's identity foe what it is, might even lead to less affirmative surgeries since as of right now, the reconciliation of one sex's body and the other gender's mind don't seem to work foe many people, leading to gender dysphoria and eventual medical procedures that are often taxing on body and mind and may lead to health complications.

Unfortunately to everyone's detriment, the ones feigning trans allyship are corporations that make a lot of money through surgery and hormones.

The medical industry managed to create an entirely new pationt group out of thin air by selling them the dream of changing their place in the binary, dualistic society we currently live with.

We must leave behind this narrow world view and embrace humans for who they are goddamnit.



Unisex means for everyone. Like unisex clothing for example.
My point still stands
 
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