Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

People don’t like Parallels to be treated like exact copies of the previous gen but Coby and Luffy dont have any similarities to Garp and Roger. There’s literally zero similarities in the dynamic.

“A little different” my ass

Which is why Oda had Koby be the first important character Luffy ever met (excluding Saint Shanks and his gang) with them constantly saying they'll both achieve their dreams of becoming the PK/an Admiral to each other multiple times as well as having Koby in the contender spread and making him pursue Luffy after Vegapunk's speech

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Which is why Oda had Koby be the first important character Luffy ever met (excluding Saint Shanks and his gang) with them constantly saying they'll both achieve their dreams of becoming the PK/an Admiral to each other multiple times as well as having Koby in the contender spread and making him pursue Luffy after Vegapunk's speech

Isn’t kobys dream being an admiral even more clear that Koby isnt even close to being the new gen Garp???

Koby will be important EOS but he’s not the new Garp chasing Luffy through the world trying to capture him and almost succeeding time and time again.

 

[Juanpiz]

Which is why Oda had Koby be the first important character Luffy ever met (excluding Saint Shanks and his gang) with them constantly saying they'll both achieve their dreams of becoming the PK/an Admiral to each other multiple times as well as having Koby in the contender spread and making him pursue Luffy after Vegapunk's speech

Has goofy ever thought about or mentioned pink fella After time Skip lol

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Has goofy ever thought about or mentioned pink fella After time Skip lol

Only in some meh filler special where they fought some weak marine with a snake hand-puppet.

 

[Juanpiz]

Only in some meh filler special where they fought some weak marine with a snake hand-puppet.

So last encounter was marineford one Shot lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Isn’t kobys dream being an admiral even more clear that Koby isnt even close to being the new gen Garp???

Koby will be important EOS but he’s not the new Garp chasing Luffy through the world trying to capture him and almost succeeding time and time again.

"Luffy is going to liberate the world and become the new Joyboy so he can't be a Roger parallel"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

"Luffy is going to liberate the world and become the new Joyboy so he can't be a Roger parallel"

Luffy literally has the same dream as Roger. Being an admiral is something Garp actively refused to become his entire career.

See the difference?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Luffy literally has the same dream as Roger. Being an admiral is something Garp actively refused to become his entire career.

See the difference?

This is implying that Koby will serve the CDs with no problem just like Kizaru and Aramaki when nothing implies that so far.
He can be an Admiral while still trying to change the organization, Issho proves that much.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This is implying that Koby will serve the CDs with no problem just like Kizaru and Aramaki when nothing implies that so far.
He can be an Admiral while still trying to change the organization, Issho proves that much.

Yet Issho still serves the CDs. There’s no such thing as an admiral who isn’t under the heel of the CDs.

Koby doesn’t want to be the next Garp, he has his own dreams and journeys.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yet Issho still serves the CDs. There’s no such thing as an admiral who isn’t under the heel of the CDs.

Koby doesn’t want to be the next Garp, he has his own dreams and journeys.

The mother fucker was freeing slaves in the Holy Land right in the face of another Admiral and we still have people saying he serves the CDs. Good lord.

 

[Hedfi]

Is this a break week or some shit and I didn't know about it? When are we getting back to Sanji and Elbaph?!

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The mother fucker was freeing slaves in the Holy Land right in the face of another Admiral and we still have people saying he serves the CDs. Good lord.

He literally does??? Do you not know the primary role of an admiral? It’s literally to be used as a gun for the CDs

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

He literally does???

Yes. He done dood it.

 

[Hiragaro]

Is this a break week or some shit and I didn't know about it? When are we getting back to Sanji and Elbaph?!

2031

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yes. He done dood it.

What a bootlicker bro. I can not believe Issho would help the CDs like this. And to think some people have him as their favorite Marine..

 

[Doggo]

Anyone remember when "leakers" "leaked" Sanji getting his leg broken for kicking S-Shark?

 

[Reborn]

Anyone remember when "leakers" "leaked" Sanji getting his leg broken for kicking S-Shark?

I am Sorry... I won't do it again

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@soupongo OP powerscalers trying to figure out how they can scale God Valley to being actually large continent sized when Imu, Xebec, Roger, Primebeard, and Garp all fail to to actual island level destruction

This is a good post but why put it in the Sanji fc

 

[Shiroyru]

This is a good post but why put it in the Sanji fc

Meant to put in the waiting room thread

 

[BillSlipton]

Yeah, I'm an 8-year-old who learned the term yesterday and tried to sound smart. You figured me out. I don't need to tell me when that term is accurate.

Anyway, it's exactly what a straw man is, twisting a statement in a way that makes it easy to refute it when it's not actually the claim that was made. I said from the very beginning I was talking about Sanji's AP in relation to opponents he needed to improve his AP against, starting with Jabra in EL, still true against Queen and likely will be true againt his BBP opponent.

He responded with irrelevant panels showing Sanji has generally great AP allowing him to take down opponents like giant fishes and banana gators, or hurting Blueno and Jabra, when the point was about him needing to improve his AP to take down his major opponents. Completely irrelevant to the claim I actually made. And then claimed I said his AP sucked. If it's not a straw man to you, I don't know what is.

You can't just have your conclusion and then try to pick the evidence to support it. You are supposed to gather the evidence and then come to a conclusion. What you're doing is the opposite of logic and reasoning. It's also kind of antithetical to any objective standard ever. You're just like, "Hey, these are my criteria," and this cherry picked and context devoid metrics are what I've deemed as not passing my criteria.

A strawman did not happen, but you are definitely misusing the term.


To call something a strawman, you have to show how someone distorted your actual position. That never happened. You said Sanji’s AP is his relative weakness, and I and others pointed out that is just wrong because the evidence shows his AP consistently keeps pace with his opponents at every stage. That is a disagreement, not a distortion.

You keep moving the goalposts. When otherw bring up feats showing Sanji’s AP working against high durability enemies such as Jabra and Oars, you wave them off as irrelevant. But you are the one who claimed AP was the area he needs to improve. Proving that wrong requires showing examples where his AP was already sufficient. That is literally the counter evidence you asked for.

Every Straw Hat needed to improve their AP to beat stronger foes in ennies lobby and throughout the story, but that is not a Sanji specific point. That is just called progression. You cannot single him out for something universal to every fighter in the series.

Sanji did not need Ifrit Jambe to beat Queen. It was overkill. He was dodging and countering everything before the exoskeleton confusion even started. The exoskeleton power up was an amplifier, not a fix for a deficiency. Pretending it covered up a weakness is just your own conclusion looking for evidence, not the other way around.

Your logic is completely backwards. You started with Sanji’s AP is his weakest stat, and now you are cherry picking moments that might fit that idea while ignoring full fight context and character progression. That is not reasoning. That is confirmation bias.

And if we are talking relative stats, Sanji’s AP, speed, and endurance are all proportionally higher than the vast majority of commanders. Saying speed is just his best one does not magically make AP a weak point. That is like saying Zoro’s defense is weak because his offense is insane. It is nonsense

I must know why start with Enies Lobby? Why focus on Sanji specifically when Chopper, Robin, Usopp, Zoro, and Luffy all got AP power ups this same arc?