Character Discussion Wasn't Xebec supposed to be evil or something?
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Rocks is a not a good guy, no matter how you try to twist it.
Oda is portraying his good parts now, but we know Rocks is a OG pirate, which means he raid and pillage, his goal to become king of the world is just for lust of power.
Destroying towns, beating kid Loki.
As far a evil guy he is very chill, which is disarming, but if there was a shit ton of innocent in front of his goal, Rocks won't even care
My favorite thing about is precisely how down to earth he is, while shooting for a big goal regardless of the casualties
Oda is portraying his good parts now, but we know Rocks is a OG pirate, which means he raid and pillage, his goal to become king of the world is just for lust of power.
Destroying towns, beating kid Loki.
As far a evil guy he is very chill, which is disarming, but if there was a shit ton of innocent in front of his goal, Rocks won't even care
My favorite thing about is precisely how down to earth he is, while shooting for a big goal regardless of the casualties
I don’t think Xebec is purely evil or a heroic good guy who is misunderstood in the conventional sense.
He’s closer to a chaotic ambitionist with goal to have absolute power by whatever means necessary even if it involves morally gray methods.
He's purpose driven and he will do anything necessary to achieve it.
For Roger, D symbolizes discovery
For Luffy, D is freedom
For Xebec and Teach, D is domination. They are the dark reflection of D. Lineage.
I don't think it's fair to fit him into moral binaries which people have tendency to fit others.
To the World Government: he’s evil, because he seeks to topple it.
To the pirates: he’s inspiring, because he dares to challenge what no one else does.
To himself: he’s simply right. If an act serves his vision, it’s justified.
He’s not cruel for cruelty’s sake, but if situation or his purpose warrants it, he won't hesitate.
He can love and care, but even this becomes secondary to his goal.
He's the man with reason and purpose who believes in ends justify the means.
He’s closer to a chaotic ambitionist with goal to have absolute power by whatever means necessary even if it involves morally gray methods.
He's purpose driven and he will do anything necessary to achieve it.
For Roger, D symbolizes discovery
For Luffy, D is freedom
For Xebec and Teach, D is domination. They are the dark reflection of D. Lineage.
I don't think it's fair to fit him into moral binaries which people have tendency to fit others.
To the World Government: he’s evil, because he seeks to topple it.
To the pirates: he’s inspiring, because he dares to challenge what no one else does.
To himself: he’s simply right. If an act serves his vision, it’s justified.
He’s not cruel for cruelty’s sake, but if situation or his purpose warrants it, he won't hesitate.
He can love and care, but even this becomes secondary to his goal.
He's the man with reason and purpose who believes in ends justify the means.
We have people here defending a terrorist before GTA 6.
How is he any different from Roger, WB or even freaking Luffy ?
Wasn't Luffy trying to steal stuff because ''we're pirates''.
Didn't Luffy destroy countries as well ?
Didn't Luffy release he worst criminals in the world and didn't care less ?
What's making Xebec worse than that ?
He doesn't wanna change the world, he just wants to replace who is sitting at top. That's all.
Blackbeard wants the same.
roger and luffy dreams are something else entirely.
He has whatsoever no love for his family lol.
He saved only Eris and Teach not his parents/grandparents.
They were together.
Roger/WB and luffy doesn't go raiding, Leveling islands, killing innocents for no reason.
I understand this a pirate manga.
But alteast admit he is a fuckin scum.
Good or not, luffy doesn't steal from poor to leave them dying or destroy their entire nation to take their treasure.
Destruction in removing the bad guys is valid.
That kind of destruction was not done in order hurt innocent citizens.
No that's blackbeard.
Luffy only took out, Jimbei and Maybe Crocodile who were actually strong. Rest joined in themselves in the momentum and later guided by Buggy as their leader.
Literally everything.
- Killing innocents
- Raiding islands and leveling them
- Terrorist activities
- and 25 crimes which were removed from the history, though it could be related WG so I'll let it pass.
One of the Davy back flashback, xebec was Holding an axe with blood and Hat on other hand. God only what he did.
Xebec as a character is insanely good, written well no doubt in that, like Dofflamingo and Crocodile.
But I don't see anyone defending their crimes.
Blackbeard wants the same.
roger and luffy dreams are something else entirely.
He has whatsoever no love for his family lol.
He saved only Eris and Teach not his parents/grandparents.
They were together.
Roger/WB and luffy doesn't go raiding, Leveling islands, killing innocents for no reason.
I understand this a pirate manga.
But alteast admit he is a fuckin scum.
Good or not, luffy doesn't steal from poor to leave them dying or destroy their entire nation to take their treasure.
Destruction in removing the bad guys is valid.
That kind of destruction was not done in order hurt innocent citizens.
No that's blackbeard.
Luffy only took out, Jimbei and Maybe Crocodile who were actually strong. Rest joined in themselves in the momentum and later guided by Buggy as their leader.
Literally everything.
- Killing innocents
- Raiding islands and leveling them
- Terrorist activities
- and 25 crimes which were removed from the history, though it could be related WG so I'll let it pass.
One of the Davy back flashback, xebec was Holding an axe with blood and Hat on other hand. God only what he did.
Xebec as a character is insanely good, written well no doubt in that, like Dofflamingo and Crocodile.
But I don't see anyone defending their crimes.
No, the people in Banaro island ran to the edge of the island before Teach and Ace had their big clash, we don´t know what happened to them either. When you destroy an entire town(the only other character who we saw do this was Doflamingo, BTW) means either everyone died or is displaced, which is absolutely horrible eithe way, since displaced people can die as well.
The guy who was drinking with a genocidal maniac like Big Mom a couple chapters ago? Lol, no.
Grow up
No, these are all assumptions based on what the characters say, and you´re deliberatly being dishonest about how all these characters hate and oppose the WG. For example, Croco specifically based his goal to make a kingdom to oppose the world government.
delibertately dishonest. His will has been inherited, and it has nothing to do with that.
Nothing is stopping him from ever talking about wanting to make a better world, but that´s clearly not his goal, his goal is to enrich himself, at the expense of the world. This is why he advises the giants to go back to their old ways, where they went around killing people, raping,looting pillaging etc.
His first scene isn´t in Imu´s room, his first scene is in Elbaf where he kind of stabbed a kid.
He isn´t dichotomic with Imu, Imu is dichomotic with Joyboy and the Ancient Kingdom, not Xebec, who he barely has interacted with, nor has ever had a serious moral argument with.
And no, two characters being dichotomotic doesn´t mean they can´t both be evil. Arguably, Teach and Akainu were presented as a Dicothomy back in MF.
The guy who was drinking with a genocidal maniac like Big Mom a couple chapters ago? Lol, no.
Grow up
No, these are all assumptions based on what the characters say, and you´re deliberatly being dishonest about how all these characters hate and oppose the WG. For example, Croco specifically based his goal to make a kingdom to oppose the world government.
Yes.
Xebec just wants peace for the entire world.
What a man he was
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Xebec just wants peace for the entire world.
What a man he was
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Nothing is stopping him from ever talking about wanting to make a better world, but that´s clearly not his goal, his goal is to enrich himself, at the expense of the world. This is why he advises the giants to go back to their old ways, where they went around killing people, raping,looting pillaging etc.
His first scene isn´t in Imu´s room, his first scene is in Elbaf where he kind of stabbed a kid.
He isn´t dichotomic with Imu, Imu is dichomotic with Joyboy and the Ancient Kingdom, not Xebec, who he barely has interacted with, nor has ever had a serious moral argument with.
And no, two characters being dichotomotic doesn´t mean they can´t both be evil. Arguably, Teach and Akainu were presented as a Dicothomy back in MF.
