Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Find me a YT video of it and I may consider

You can't see the video on the website? I don't think it's available on youtube, it's getting copyright striked all over the place. It's vital to watch it, I'm not kidding.

Is right on spot unlike yours.

We'll see

Still hoping Ivankov turns Yamato into a futa in Act 4, piss off every asshole who tried to ruin her character with this nonsense, when we already have a clear trans character in Kiku, and... like... I don't even really know how to classify Ivankov at this point. Everything?

Yamato and Ivankov are genderfluid, it's not really that complicated lol, they identify both has men and women depending on their mood.

If someone asks 100 women what a woman is, and they give the definition of it aka from biology, are their answers valid or not?

In this case, the answer would not be accurate to reality. Hence why I should rather say "talk to feminist" rather than "talk to women". Concernism has its limits. In this case ethics and science. If you ask a black man who voted for Trump if Trump is racist , they will tell you "no", yet, they are living within a scientifically documented racist society.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

"male" is the name of sexual characteristics, it's not significant of a person. You are talking about a man and if you are asking "how can a man be a woman", then you are talking about genderfluid people (like Ivankov, Yamato or Inazuma), if you wanna know what it is to be a woman, I'm sorry I can't help, you gonna need to ask to a woman about that.


Gender is scientifically considered as a social construct (just like being black is a social construct), something imposed by capitalism and patriarchy, while "sex" is scientifically considered as a description of sexual characteristics. It's possible to have a penis and be a woman, hence why it's important to aknowledge the legitimacy of trans people (it's a bit more complicated in reality, but that's the basis of

What I've been saying for years. Gender, sex, poly/monotheism are mostly a linguistic matter

 

[Logiko]

What I've been saying for years. Gender, sex, poly/monotheism are mostly a linguistic matter

Yeah.. and no. They are also a reality for people who are targeted by discrimination. Simply sayin "gender is over" will not get rid of the fact that cis people are targetting trans or that trans people can live gender disphoria, the entire society needs to shift and... maybe... in a more inclusive society, we might see the end of the notion of gender all together, but I think we are centuries from seeing that.

 

[Uncle Van]

In this case, the answer would not be accurate to reality. Hence why I should rather say "talk to feminist" rather than "talk to women". Concernism has its limits. In this case ethics and science. If you ask a black man who voted for Trump if Trump is racist , they will tell you "no", yet, they are living within a scientifically documented racist society.

So if 100 feminist and 100 Trans people give the biological definition of a woman, they are wrong? Therefore making experience and "talk to this group" irrelevant so you are apparently the only voice of reason?

 

[Logiko]

So if 100 feminist and 100 Trans people give the biological definition of a woman, they are wrong? Therefore making experience and "talk to this group" irrelevant so you are apparently the only voice of reason?

That's why I say concernism has its limits. It's a good tool but it's just an entry tool. It's important to talk to group of people who are concerned by the subject (not sure it's the right word) as usually you will have a hard time finding people fighting against their own interests (but it's possible, Zemmi for ex) but it's not enough to understand a subject. Enters sciences, ethics (and political materialism)

 

[HerreraIsBack]

You can't see the video on the website? I don't think it's available on youtube, it's getting copyright striked all over the place. It's vital to watch it, I'm not kidding.

Just don't trust random links

 

[Logiko]

Just don't trust random links

This one you can. it's a library for political movies.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

"male" is the name of sexual characteristics, it's not significant of a person. You are talking about a man and if you are asking "how can a man be a woman", then you are talking about genderfluid people (like Ivankov, Yamato or Inazuma), if you wanna know what it is to be a woman, I'm sorry I can't help, you gonna need to ask to a woman about that.



Gender is scientifically considered as a social construct (just like being black is a social construct), something imposed by capitalism and patriarchy, while "sex" is scientifically considered as a description of sexual characteristics. It's possible to have a penis and be a woman, hence why it's important to aknowledge the legitimacy of trans people (it's a bit more complicated in reality, but that's the basis of it)



That's a fair step. But I think it's important to understand the systematism of these. It's not just one man, it's settlers, everyday, everywhere in the west bank and it has been going on for 70+ years. That's why I believe it's important for you to watch this free documentary. It's vital to understand the colonization process happening and the complete lack of empathy of settlers.

>> https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/louis-theroux-the-settlers/



I'll give you time.



I'm talking about your political mindset

How can i ask a woman what a woman is if i don't know what a woman is?
How do I identify a woman to ask her what a woman is?

Also, are you a man?
What is a man, in case?

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If someone asks 100 women what a woman is, and they give the definition of it aka from biology, are their answers valid or not? You are very inconsistent when it comes to experience or "talk to this group", and switch up whenever convenient.

How can I ask a woman if I do not know what a woman is, how do I recognise it.
How do I know if a woman is not giving me malign information if only the ones saying that are women can say what a woman is?
If I say I am a woman and lie how can I be refuted?

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That's why I say concernism has its limits. It's a good tool but it's just an entry tool. It's important to talk to group of people who are concerned by the subject (not sure it's the right word) as usually you will have a hard time finding people fighting against their own interests (but it's possible, Zemmi for ex) but it's not enough to understand a subject. Enters sciences, ethics (and political materialism)

How do I identify a group of women to ask if they are women?

 

[Logiko]

How can i ask a woman what a woman is if i don't know what a woman is?
How do I identify a woman to ask her what a woman is?

Also, are you a man?
What is a man, in case?

Simple: Ask people who identify as women.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Simple: Ask people who identify as women.

Ok, what do you identify as?

 

[Logiko]

Ok, what do you identify as?

For now, a man. I can only explain to you what science, materialism, politics and ethics tell us about gender not what it is to be a woman. I can't comprehend that, I've never lived it. And just like me, learning about it, won't make you understand either. You will only be able to empathize with women..

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

For now, a man. I can only explain to you what science, materialism, politics and ethics tell us about gender not what it is to be a woman. I can't comprehend that, I've never lived it. And just like me, learning about it, won't make you understand either. You will only be able to empathize with women..

What is a man?

 

[Zenos7]

Why would it be ? You can be straight and date trans people.

super straight is about not dating trans people though.

 

[Logiko]

What is a man?

At the moment, I'm a man because I'm not a woman.. It's a feeling by contrast. It's a feeling of not completely leaning toward femininity because I'm leaning still toward masculinity. Feeling like I'm different from women, not physically, but socially. BUT, I believe than I'm much closer to a woman now that I was 20 years ago. Maybe one day I will be neither. I don't know. It's a social construct. Evolving.

super straight is about not dating trans people though.

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..

 

[Blax Blah]

I think if gender is different than biological sex then it makes sense that the only way you can find out someone's gender is by asking

 

[Zenos7]

I don't know what's up with the thing of gender being different than biological sex

For me when I think of gender that means biological sex, they are synonims

sex is biological, gender is social. but to be fair, this is a modern development, and not everyone in the world recognizes/cares about this distinction.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

At the moment, I'm a man because I'm not a woman.. It's a feeling by contrast. It's a feeling of not completely leaning toward femininity because I'm leaning still toward masculinity. Feeling like I'm different from women, not physically, but socially. BUT, I believe than I'm much closer to a woman now that I was 20 years ago. Maybe one day I will be neither. I don't know. It's a social construct. Evolving.

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..

This is a circular definition man.
Saying that you are a man because you are not a woman is offensive. You just said you cannot say what a woman is, so how do you know you are not one?
Are you saying that only women can be feminine?
What is feminine?

How can you say that you are close to a woman if you do not know what a woman is?

 

[Zenos7]

If someone asks 100 women what a woman is, and they give the definition of it aka from biology, are their answers valid or not? You are very inconsistent when it comes to experience or "talk to this group", and switch up whenever convenient.

ye last time he said "talk to women" i made him label half the female population as transphobes lul

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What I've been saying for years. Gender, sex, poly/monotheism are mostly a linguistic matter

wasnt your point very recently that biological sex is a thing and that even logiko has to admit it is a thing?

 

[Logiko]

Saying that you are a man because you are not a woman is offensive. You just said you cannot say what a woman is, so how do you know you are not one?

The answer is actually VERY simple : I do not live what women live. I do not live the sexism, the rape threats, I do not experience the domination of patriarchy like they do, I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone, I'm not constantly shut down because of my gender and I'm not constantly recentered to my body. I'm not sexualized, I'm not losing right because of my gender etc.

Are you saying that only women can be feminine?
What is feminine?

I just said the opposite. I have ""feminine"" traits and I believe that if you gave me 100+ years i would bridge the gap between gender and probably become non binary (in fact it could very well happen soon). This is my definition of a man, it doesn't have to be the only one, there are thousands of ways to be a man or a woman or both or neither. Like I said, it's a social construct, it's not graved in stone.

How can you say that you are close to a woman if you do not know what a woman is?

I'm close because I feel like gender constrains are applying less that they did 20 years ago. I'm still a man, I'm just closer to the state of changing that I was before. I'm not even in the middle of the middle of the middle of the gender spectrum yet. Gender, as I explained, is not binary, it's a spectrum that needs to be experienced as society impacts us. It's hard to give you a straight answer (pun intended)

 

[Rej]

Whenever I am in my bed, laying on my back and lazy masturbating, I realize that I am a man.