Controversial General Political Discussion

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The answer is actually VERY simple : I do not live what women live. I do not live the sexism, the rape threats, I do not experience the domination of patriarchy like they do, I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone, I'm not constantly shut down because of my gender and I'm not constantly recentered to my body. I'm not sexualized, I'm not losing right because of my gender etc.


I just said the opposite. I have feminine traits and I believe that if you gave me 100+ years i would bridge the gap between gender and probably become non binary (in fact it could very well happen soon). This is my definition of a man, it doesn't have to be the only one, there are thousands of ways to be a man or a woman or both or neither. Like I said, it's a social construct, it's not graved in stone.



I'm close because I feel like gender constrains are applying less that they did 20 years ago. I'm still a man, I'm just closer to the state of changing that I was before. I'm not even in the middle of the middle of the middle of the gender spectrum yet. Gender, as I explained, is not binary, it's a spectrum that needs to be experienced as society impacts us. It's hard to give you a straight answer (pun intended)

So, thanks for starting to give definitions. A woman is, at least for your definition:

• A victim of sexism and rape threats
• dominated by the patriatchy
• Powerless against a man
• Shut down because of your gender identity (which mean all women share the same gender or same spectrum of genders)
• Centered around my body
• Sexualized

This are the key definition of what differentiate a woman from a man.
Which means that a man that was used as a sex slave by other men is a woman? Interesting.

You still haven't given a definition of a man though, why?
Not asking about gender, I am asking about definition of the word MAN, which you claimed to be, so since you can claim to be a man, describe what it is.

Also, you use the word feminine, which means by definition:

feminine
/fĕm′ə-nĭn/
adjective

1. Of or relating to women or girls.
2. Characterized by or possessing qualities traditionally attributed to women, such as demureness

So you say that you feel like a woman, which means you must feel in a part of you what a woman is, unless you are appropriating what a woman is.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I'm a man because I'm not a woman

Wisdom of the year👏

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..

People can't have dating preferences now??😂

this is a modern development,

Kinda yes and kinda no

 

[Logiko]

So, thanks for starting to give definitions. A woman is, at least for your definition:

• A victim of sexism and rape threats
• dominated by the patriatchy
• Powerless against a man
• Shut down because of your gender identity (which mean all women share the same gender or same spectrum of genders)
• Centered around my body
• Sexualized

This are the key definition of what differentiate a woman from a man.
Which means that a man that was used as a sex slave by other men is a woman? Interesting.

You still haven't given a definition of a man though, why?
Not asking about gender, I am asking about definition of the word MAN, which you claimed to be, so since you can claim to be a man, describe what it is.

Also, you use the word feminine, which means by definition:

feminine
/fĕm′ə-nĭn/
adjective

1. Of or relating to women or girls.
2. Characterized by or possessing qualities traditionally attributed to women, such as demureness

So you say that you feel like a woman, which means you must feel in a part of you what a woman is, unless you are appropriating what a woman is.

It's funny how you try to twist it. But hey. I can't make you understand something you don't want to understand. Gender are social constructions, felt and given. For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more. Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's complex.

People can't have dating preferences now??😂

Question them. There might be biases related to domination systems in these dating preferences. Orientalism, fetishization, transphobia, sexism etc.. There can be a lot of biases.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Question them. They might have biases related to domination systems in them.

I want to see you tell the same to a gay person as a response why they don't want to date someone of the opposite sex

wasnt your point very recently that biological sex is a thing and that even logiko has to admit it is a thing?

The words we use to describe things are a linguistic issue

Whenever I am in my bed, laying on my back and lazy masturbating, I realize that I am a man.

God will punish you for your sins

 

[Mathias]

@Reborn Is discrimination against baldies sexism ? Or is because of patriarchy ? @Logiko

Or is it both

I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone.

To be fair, I can get scared of a stranger if I'm alone with him. Especially if he looks stronger and a bit weird.

People can't have dating preferences now??😂

I don't date the bourgeoisie

 

[Etzel Andergast]

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..

Holy shit

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I don't date the bourgeoisie

Hate speech

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

It's funny how you try to twist it. But hey. I can't make you understand something you don't want to understand. Gender are social constructions, felt and given. For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more. Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's complex.



Question them. There might be biases related to domination systems in these dating preferences. Orientalism, fetishization, transphobia, sexism etc.. There can be a lot of biases.

Why are you not addressing my point?

All my questions are quite fair and well asked, I am not twisting, I am asking you to define the words you use.
If you cannot do that, it means you do not know the words you use.
There is not one single word I use that I wouldn't know the definition, otherwise why would I use it?

Now you say that women are imprinted certain construction because women possess female sexual characteristics. So another definition:
Women have female sexual characteristics.

See, you are getting there.

 

[Mathias]

Hate speech

My desires are... unconventional.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone

Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble

You ok lil buddy, where do you live, the Predator planet?

C4N is a terminally online furry, who has too much time on his hands. His entire tirades boil down to that.

 

[Logiko]

I want to see you tell the same to a gay person as a response why they don't want to date someone of the opposite sex

Gender*, gay and lesbian can date people with different sexual characteristics. In this case it's a little bit different, as it is not something that we can really control.

@Reborn Is discrimination against baldies sexism ? Or is because of patriarchy ? @Logiko

Or is it both

Actually this can be an interesting question. While I don't consider this as an oppressed condition reallyish, the stigma against bald people is definitely the echo of the intersection of different systems of domination: Without too much thinking I would say ableism and patriarchy. Ableism because baldness is associated with handicaps and illness and patriarchy because baldness makes us "less of a man".

To be fair, I can get scared of a stranger if I'm alone with him. Especially if he looks stronger and a bit weird.

Fair

I don't date the bourgeoisie

Not all dating preferences are bad.

Why are you not addressing my point?

All my questions are quite fair and well asked, I am not twisting, I am asking you to define the words you use.

Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's like explaining what colors feels like. It's unexplanable. At best I can't explain what it's not, different parameter, perhaps in contrast with the fact of not being a woman, but what it feels like or what it is to be a man is up to every men. It's for you to answer this question for yourself. It doesn't have to be clustered.

Now you say that women are imprinted certain construction because women possess female sexual characteristics. So another definition:
Women have female sexual characteristics.

No. The opposite. People have sexual characteristics, therefore they are imprinted with the gender of women. Most people will accept it and will live ok with this imprint, but others (trans people) not so much. The reasons has yet to be explained, but it doesn't really matter, what is important is that trans people exist, they are legitimate.

Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble

Oh! I'm sorry Usopp! Didn't see you arrive.

C4N is a terminally online furry

That guy is still angry at me for defending Carrot

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Oh! I'm sorry Usopp! Didn't see you arrive.

Not surprised of your '''''response'''''🤡

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where do you live

Planet earth

 

[Logiko]

Not surprised of your '''''response'''''🤡

I have no reasons to be scared of strangers, women do.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I have no reasons to be scared of strangers, women do.

That's funny, I used to go on so many lone walks at night over the years, even passed by some weird looking fellows but nothing ever happened to me.

 

[Logiko]

That's funny, I used to go on so many lone walks at night, even passed by some weird looking fellows but nothing ever happened to me.

Btw, when I say stranger it's not the exactly truth statistically, most violences against women happen in their inner circle.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Btw, when I say stranger it's not the exactly truth statistically, most violences against women happen in their inner circle.

Goalpost moving 101

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Gender*, gay and lesbian can date people with different sexual characteristics. In this case it's a little bit different, as it is not something that we can really control.



Actually this can be an interesting question. While I don't consider this as an oppressed condition reallyish, the stigma against bald people is definitely the echo of the intersection of different systems of domination: Without too much thinking I would say ableism and patriarchy. Ableism because baldness is associated with handicaps and illness and patriarchy because baldness makes us "less of a man".



Fair



Not all dating preferences are bad.




Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's like explaining what colors feels like. It's unexplanable. At best I can't explain what it's not, different parameter, perhaps in contrast with the fact of not being a woman, but what it feels like or what it is to be a man is up to every men. It's for you to answer this question for yourself. It doesn't have to be clustered.



No. The opposite. People have sexual characteristics, therefore they are imprinted with the gender of women. Most people will accept it and will live ok with this imprint, but others (trans people) not so much. The reasons has yet to be explained, but it doesn't really matter, what is important is that trans people exist, they are legitimate.

You can explain what colour are.
Colour is the appearance that things have that results from the way in which they reflect light
Also, a colour perception by humans is defined by its wavelength.
Simple like that, two definitions. Maybe for poor scholarised manchildren it's unexplainable.

My friend, you said that women have female characteristics here:

For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more.

And then you say the opposite. What is it lil' buddy, having word salad syndrome?

No. The opposite. People have sexual characteristics, therefore they are imprinted with the gender of women. Most people will accept it and will live ok with this imprint, but others (trans people) not so much. The reasons has yet to be explained, but it doesn't really matter, what is important is that trans people exist, they are legitimate.

Also the fact that I have been punched by women, assaulted by men and mugged by men in the past means I should not be scared of being alone with a stranger with a knife? Are you insane?

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That's funny, I used to go on so many lone walks at night over the years, even passed by some weird looking fellows but nothing ever happened to me.

He doesn't go out, how would he know.

 

[Logiko]

Goalpost moving 101

What? I thought you were thinking to yourself.

You can explain what colour are.
Colour is the appearance that things have that results from the way in which they reflect light
Also, a colour perception by humans is defined by its wavelength.

Yeah, but not what they feel like or why I prefer a color over another or why I see color a certain way.. Gender is a social construct, that's what I can tell you, being a man is also a social construct. Now, what being a man means to you, I have no idea. It's up to you to find the answer.

My friend, you said that women have female characteristics here:

I said "people" specifically for a reason, not women.

Also the fact that I have been punched by women, assaulted by men and mugged by men in the past means I should not be scared of being alone with a stranger with a knife? Are you insane?

You don't have to project your experience on me, I was talking about me. If you are afraid with stranger, I'm sorry for you, but what do you want me to say?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I said "people" specifically for a reason, not women.

Then I am the one twisting uh? You used "people" to define the women who have female sexual characteristics.

For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more.

Literally.

You don't have to project your experience on me, I was talking about me. If you are afraid with stranger, I'm sorry for you, but what do you want me to say?

Not projecting. You said that ONLY women have to be worried about that, which means me, a man, doesn't have to.
Do you have an understanding of what you say or you just randomly spout words?

 

[Logiko]

Then I am the one twisting uh? You used "people" to define the women who have female sexual characteristics.

No. I used "people" to include cis and trans people as both categories are imprited with the "woman" gender when they are born with female sexual characteristics.