I don't know what's up with the thing of gender being different than biological sex

For me when I think of gender that means biological sex, they are synonims
sex is biological, gender is social. but to be fair, this is a modern development, and not everyone in the world recognizes/cares about this distinction.
 
At the moment, I'm a man because I'm not a woman.. It's a feeling by contrast. It's a feeling of not completely leaning toward femininity because I'm leaning still toward masculinity. Feeling like I'm different from women, not physically, but socially. BUT, I believe than I'm much closer to a woman now that I was 20 years ago. Maybe one day I will be neither. I don't know. It's a social construct. Evolving.

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..
This is a circular definition man.
Saying that you are a man because you are not a woman is offensive. You just said you cannot say what a woman is, so how do you know you are not one?
Are you saying that only women can be feminine?
What is feminine?

How can you say that you are close to a woman if you do not know what a woman is?
 
If someone asks 100 women what a woman is, and they give the definition of it aka from biology, are their answers valid or not? You are very inconsistent when it comes to experience or "talk to this group", and switch up whenever convenient.
ye last time he said "talk to women" i made him label half the female population as transphobes lul
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What I've been saying for years. Gender, sex, poly/monotheism are mostly a linguistic matter
wasnt your point very recently that biological sex is a thing and that even logiko has to admit it is a thing?
 
Saying that you are a man because you are not a woman is offensive. You just said you cannot say what a woman is, so how do you know you are not one?
The answer is actually VERY simple : I do not live what women live. I do not live the sexism, the rape threats, I do not experience the domination of patriarchy like they do, I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone, I'm not constantly shut down because of my gender and I'm not constantly recentered to my body. I'm not sexualized, I'm not losing right because of my gender etc.

Are you saying that only women can be feminine?
What is feminine?
I just said the opposite. I have ""feminine"" traits and I believe that if you gave me 100+ years i would bridge the gap between gender and probably become non binary (in fact it could very well happen soon). This is my definition of a man, it doesn't have to be the only one, there are thousands of ways to be a man or a woman or both or neither. Like I said, it's a social construct, it's not graved in stone.


How can you say that you are close to a woman if you do not know what a woman is?
I'm close because I feel like gender constrains are applying less that they did 20 years ago. I'm still a man, I'm just closer to the state of changing that I was before. I'm not even in the middle of the middle of the middle of the gender spectrum yet. Gender, as I explained, is not binary, it's a spectrum that needs to be experienced as society impacts us. It's hard to give you a straight answer (pun intended)
 
The answer is actually VERY simple : I do not live what women live. I do not live the sexism, the rape threats, I do not experience the domination of patriarchy like they do, I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone, I'm not constantly shut down because of my gender and I'm not constantly recentered to my body. I'm not sexualized, I'm not losing right because of my gender etc.


I just said the opposite. I have feminine traits and I believe that if you gave me 100+ years i would bridge the gap between gender and probably become non binary (in fact it could very well happen soon). This is my definition of a man, it doesn't have to be the only one, there are thousands of ways to be a man or a woman or both or neither. Like I said, it's a social construct, it's not graved in stone.



I'm close because I feel like gender constrains are applying less that they did 20 years ago. I'm still a man, I'm just closer to the state of changing that I was before. I'm not even in the middle of the middle of the middle of the gender spectrum yet. Gender, as I explained, is not binary, it's a spectrum that needs to be experienced as society impacts us. It's hard to give you a straight answer (pun intended)
So, thanks for starting to give definitions. A woman is, at least for your definition:
  • A victim of sexism and rape threats
  • dominated by the patriatchy
  • Powerless against a man
  • Shut down because of your gender identity (which mean all women share the same gender or same spectrum of genders)
  • Centered around my body
  • Sexualized
This are the key definition of what differentiate a woman from a man.
Which means that a man that was used as a sex slave by other men is a woman? Interesting.

You still haven't given a definition of a man though, why?
Not asking about gender, I am asking about definition of the word MAN, which you claimed to be, so since you can claim to be a man, describe what it is.

Also, you use the word feminine, which means by definition:

feminine
/fĕm′ə-nĭn/
adjective

  1. Of or relating to women or girls.
  2. Characterized by or possessing qualities traditionally attributed to women, such as demureness
So you say that you feel like a woman, which means you must feel in a part of you what a woman is, unless you are appropriating what a woman is.
 
I'm a man because I'm not a woman
Wisdom of the year👏

That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..
People can't have dating preferences now??😂

this is a modern development,
Kinda yes and kinda no
 
So, thanks for starting to give definitions. A woman is, at least for your definition:
  • A victim of sexism and rape threats
  • dominated by the patriatchy
  • Powerless against a man
  • Shut down because of your gender identity (which mean all women share the same gender or same spectrum of genders)
  • Centered around my body
  • Sexualized
This are the key definition of what differentiate a woman from a man.
Which means that a man that was used as a sex slave by other men is a woman? Interesting.

You still haven't given a definition of a man though, why?
Not asking about gender, I am asking about definition of the word MAN, which you claimed to be, so since you can claim to be a man, describe what it is.

Also, you use the word feminine, which means by definition:

feminine
/fĕm′ə-nĭn/
adjective

  1. Of or relating to women or girls.
  2. Characterized by or possessing qualities traditionally attributed to women, such as demureness
So you say that you feel like a woman, which means you must feel in a part of you what a woman is, unless you are appropriating what a woman is.
It's funny how you try to twist it. But hey. I can't make you understand something you don't want to understand. Gender are social constructions, felt and given. For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more. Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's complex.


People can't have dating preferences now??😂
Question them. There might be biases related to domination systems in these dating preferences. Orientalism, fetishization, transphobia, sexism etc.. There can be a lot of biases.
 
Question them. They might have biases related to domination systems in them.
I want to see you tell the same to a gay person as a response why they don't want to date someone of the opposite sex


wasnt your point very recently that biological sex is a thing and that even logiko has to admit it is a thing?
The words we use to describe things are a linguistic issue

Whenever I am in my bed, laying on my back and lazy masturbating, I realize that I am a man.
God will punish you for your sins
 
That is not really what straight mean, unless I don't understand this slang specifically. But in that case, yup, this would be transphobic. You don't know what could happen or who you can feel in love with. It's like saying "I only date white women" which is racist..
Holy shit
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I don't date the bourgeoisie :endthis:
Hate speech
 
It's funny how you try to twist it. But hey. I can't make you understand something you don't want to understand. Gender are social constructions, felt and given. For women, it's mostly a construction that is imprinted on people with female sexual characteristic, a form of imposition, which is then self justified by later oppression, but it's also more. Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's complex.



Question them. There might be biases related to domination systems in these dating preferences. Orientalism, fetishization, transphobia, sexism etc.. There can be a lot of biases.
Why are you not addressing my point?

All my questions are quite fair and well asked, I am not twisting, I am asking you to define the words you use.
If you cannot do that, it means you do not know the words you use.
There is not one single word I use that I wouldn't know the definition, otherwise why would I use it?

Now you say that women are imprinted certain construction because women possess female sexual characteristics. So another definition:
Women have female sexual characteristics.

See, you are getting there.
 
I'm not afraid of what a man could do to me alone
Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble
 
Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble
You ok lil buddy, where do you live, the Predator planet?

C4N is a terminally online furry, who has too much time on his hands. His entire tirades boil down to that.
 
I want to see you tell the same to a gay person as a response why they don't want to date someone of the opposite sex
Gender*, gay and lesbian can date people with different sexual characteristics. In this case it's a little bit different, as it is not something that we can really control.


@Reborn Is discrimination against baldies sexism ? Or is because of patriarchy ? @Logiko

Or is it both :myman:
Actually this can be an interesting question. While I don't consider this as an oppressed condition reallyish, the stigma against bald people is definitely the echo of the intersection of different systems of domination: Without too much thinking I would say ableism and patriarchy. Ableism because baldness is associated with handicaps and illness and patriarchy because baldness makes us "less of a man".


To be fair, I can get scared of a stranger if I'm alone with him. Especially if he looks stronger and a bit weird.
Fair


I don't date the bourgeoisie :endthis:
Not all dating preferences are bad.
:shocking:


Why are you not addressing my point?

All my questions are quite fair and well asked, I am not twisting, I am asking you to define the words you use.
Again, I can't give you a straight answer. It's like explaining what colors feels like. It's unexplanable. At best I can't explain what it's not, different parameter, perhaps in contrast with the fact of not being a woman, but what it feels like or what it is to be a man is up to every men. It's for you to answer this question for yourself. It doesn't have to be clustered.


Now you say that women are imprinted certain construction because women possess female sexual characteristics. So another definition:
Women have female sexual characteristics.
No. The opposite. People have sexual characteristics, therefore they are imprinted with the gender of women. Most people will accept it and will live ok with this imprint, but others (trans people) not so much. The reasons has yet to be explained, but it doesn't really matter, what is important is that trans people exist, they are legitimate.


Strangle you, rape you anally, stab your eyes with a scissor, rub chili on your privates, pluck your toenails with pincers, tie you down and rip out each hair individually, pull your teeth, waterboard you, cut off a limb, break a joint, stick a cigarette butt up your nostrils or in your eyes, stab open your abdomen using a pencil and disembowel you, lace your water bottle with arsenic, break your ribcage until the sharp bone pieces pierce your lungs, twist your neck to paralyze you....

I could go on for days.
Proving once again you live in a fluffy all pink pacifist bubble
Oh! I'm sorry Usopp! Didn't see you arrive.


C4N is a terminally online furry


That guy is still angry at me for defending Carrot
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