Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

[comrade]

Can’t Waesar also use blue fire?

I mean, if i understand correctly, Caesar used tools to accomplish explosions. And the blue fire is also a tool. But nevertheless, gasses that are poisonous, create hallucinations and can remove oxygen are, on a large scale, powerful enough. @ZenZu

Though I mean, tools are fair game, like swords and guns. If there are tools to maximize the potential of the fruit, why not. Look at how Yasopp can create nukes with his rifles. Now imagine it in an area full of gas.

 

[Roo]

Bullshit.

Since tere was not one advanced coc user nor top tier whom sugar turned into a toy. So u can be argued that none whom she turned into a toy had more haki than her.

Law literally broke out of a fruit ability using pure haki (having more haki usage than the person whom used their fruit turning law into a chick).

The same law stated that his regular room could not work on kaido and bigmom because of haki.

So yeah you bullshitting

Yet Blackbeard who’s all but confirmed to be a CoC user wanted not parts of Hancock’s DF ability?

haki is vague af. It only counters DF hax when it’s convenient for Oda

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

We don't know that. The black clouds around the Goroseis bodies imply it's their own devil fruit. Nor is it said that it was Imu's CoC passed down to them. Immortality and possession are part of his abilities though.

Bullshit since imu can possess. So Nothing suggests otherwise. Its interpreted that he hads all of his subordinates his abilities which includes a portion of his haki. Since haki would be what would be needed to control a person's will

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Yet Blackbeard who’s all but confirmed to be a CoC user wanted to parts with Hancock’s DF ability?

haki is vague af. It only counters DF hax when it’s convenient for Oda

You mean the same Hancock whom is also a COC user which adds to why her fruit ability is so haxed in the first place? You see why your point looking more and more dumb?

It simply means bb isn't sure if his coc is stronger than Hancocks lol.

Its simply: powerful haki combined with powerful devil fruits make HAXED abilities.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He can create explosions like this

and in theory, someone like Ace would be cooked against him. He controls a more fundamental state of matter than fire itself. And the flame fruit is already a high tier logia. The gas fruit can do it all both hax and firepower.

Oda fucked up with Caesar's fruit. It's too busted.

Imagine a liquid liquid or solid solid logia. That person would functionally have Sakazuki's fruit, Kuzan's fruit, etc, etc, etc

 

[The DevilMaster]

The scale I have is as follows: Joyboy’s Haki is currently the strongest in the entire verse (after Luffy’s and Kaido’s during their final battle).
Imu trembled and was left breathless in the presence of Joyboy’s Haki — that doesn’t give me the impression that Imu possesses Haki on that same level. Later, based on what the giants witnessed, they used Shanks as a reference point for Haki when they saw Joyboy’s.

However, Shanks is incapable of defeating Kaido according to Kaido himself, and according to Kaido, Joyboy might be able to defeat him one day — which places Kaido in between them:
Joyboy ~ Kaido > Shanks.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

The scale I have is as follows: Joyboy’s Haki is currently the strongest in the entire verse (after Luffy’s and Kaido’s during their final battle).
Imu trembled and was left breathless in the presence of Joyboy’s Haki — that doesn’t give me the impression that Imu possesses Haki on that same level. Later, based on what the giants witnessed, they used Shanks as a reference point for Haki when they saw Joyboy’s.

However, Shanks is incapable of defeating Kaido according to Kaido himself, and according to Kaido, Joyboy might be able to defeat him one day — which places Kaido in between them:
Joyboy ~ Kaido > Shanks.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Oda fucked up with Caesar's fruit. It's too busted.

Imagine a liquid liquid or solid solid logia. That person would functionally have Sakazuki's fruit, Kuzan's fruit, etc, etc, etc

That's why he made the user incompetent

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

The scale I have is as follows: Joyboy’s Haki is currently the strongest in the entire verse (after Luffy’s and Kaido’s during their final battle).
Imu trembled and was left breathless in the presence of Joyboy’s Haki — that doesn’t give me the impression that Imu possesses Haki on that same level. Later, based on what the giants witnessed, they used Shanks as a reference point for Haki when they saw Joyboy’s.

However, Shanks is incapable of defeating Kaido according to Kaido himself, and according to Kaido, Joyboy might be able to defeat him one day — which places Kaido in between them:
Joyboy ~ Kaido > Shanks.

Joyboy>imu>shanks>kaido=luffy=gorossei>zoro in terms of advanced coc shown so far

 

[ZenZu]

Can’t Waesar also use blue fire?

Yes, it's crazy not only how versatile the gas fruit is but how potent it is with every ability. Hax of the highest caliber, deadly poison, potential for massive DC, and a blue flame saber for physical lethality.

 

[WorstMan]

Does anyone else subscribe to the idea that Domi Reversi only works when someone is physically in their land of origin? Maybe Eris is a plant

 

[The DevilMaster]

Joyboy>imu>shanks>kaido=luffy=gorossei>zoro in terms of advanced coc shown so far

Shanks' haki does not grant him the ability to defeat kaidou according to kaidou himself which in itself, the Shanks > Kaidou instance is wrong.

The best lineup is Joyboy > Kaidou? It's likely, Kaidou himself thinks it's possible, but Imu having a Haki greater than Shanks' or being able to beat Kaidou is debatable at this point.

 

[Boiroy]

Imu - summons a sword
Luffy- summons Zoro
Holyshit

 

[Ashish]

At this rate we are getting full summary today

 

[Jeanstealer]

I mean, if i understand correctly, Caesar used tools to accomplish explosions. And the blue fire is also a tool. But nevertheless, gasses that are poisonous, create hallucinations and can remove oxygen are, on a large scale, powerful enough. @ZenZu

Though I mean, tools are fair game, like swords and guns. If there are tools to maximize the potential of the fruit, why not. Look at how Yasopp can create nukes with his rifles. Now imagine it in an area full of gas.

Tbh, this-

-didn't require any tools.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Shanks' haki does not grant him the ability to defeat kaidou according to kaidou himself which in itself, the Shanks > Kaidou instance is wrong.

Mixing apples and oranges. One can have more haki than the other but have less durability speed stamina etc.

Shanks can have more haki than kaido but be less powerful than kaido in another area

 

[Roo]

Bullshit since imu can possess. So Nothing suggests otherwise. Its interpreted that he hads all of his subordinates his abilities which includes a portion of his haki. Since haki would be what would be needed to control a person's will

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You mean the same Hancock whom is also a COC user which adds to why her fruit ability is so haxed in the first place? You see why your point looking more and more dumb?

It simply means bb isn't sure if his coc is stronger than Hancocks lol.

Its simply: powerful haki combined with powerful devil fruits make HAXED abilities.

Hancock having stronger CoC than the potential final
Villain?

 

[Nekomamushi]

Kid fruit ? Mister 5 fruit ?

OMG

 

[Blahmigooo]

Poor Dragon he got collateral diff by Kidd DF....
How this guy becomes top tier or to be precise supposed to be one of the strongest top tier is mind-blowing....unless he eats broken DF.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

I'm sure Xebec is pulling some Majin Vegeta move at the next chapters.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Hancock having stronger CoC than the potential final
Villain?

She could have higher, have the same or slightly less. We don't know. However ot makes sense why bb was very careful with her. Since again she is another user with coc and a powerful fruit making her haxed