Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

[Peroroncino]

The fandom thought the answer to Oda asking "How does Shanks actually fight?" in an SBS, was something else, when what he intended was "Shanks fights like Roger".

Pandemonium (Xebec)
Kamusari (Roger/Shanks)
Togen Totsuka (Oden)
Higanbana (Rayleigh)

Signature attacks of 4 Top Tier swordsmen with advCoC, that the Greatest Swordsman is guaranteed to surpass with his own Signature.

they're all themed on hell or heaven too

 

[ZenZu]

Nah, the Japanese makes it clear that BOTH of them are much stronger than they were back then.

He says after something like "A new Rocks will be born"

That doesn't contradict what I said at all.

 

[Sentinel]

@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk where would you two rank rocks ?

I put him as the third strongest character in op

Just behind joyboy and imu or maybe 4th if we count Davy Jones

I know he was outclassed but being able to hold his own alone for a bit against imu is a crazy feat

Honestly, I see Xebec stronger than Roger. I think this much should be obvious considering how strong Xebec is.

We have the World Serpent, Earth God, Forest God, Sun God Nika, Joyboy and Davy Jones.

So I wouldn't put Xebec as 3rd strongest yet since we have no idea if Nika is even stronger than Joyboy or the Earth God being stronger than the demonic being in the 2nd world. The World Serpent is also something which can quickly turn out to be overpowered if it devours worlds.

 

[sanjikun]

That doesn't contradict what I said at all.

You're making it seem like BM's upscale is secondary, and that's not what's implied at all.

If anything Sengoku is saying Kaido + BM = Xebec + WB + the rest of them.

 

[OPKnK]

People using age for people prime is cope.
Oda does not give fuck about people being in a certain age = prime.
If he want these people at there strongest in there 40's or 50's that is where they be .

Also why the fuck are people making fun about kaido dodging BM attack to downplay her ?
Fucking momo dodge Kaido attack after now growing up and becoming huge ass dragon fucking momo.
BM tanks a attack that was stronger than what Knock down Oden who almost kill kaido .

 

[ConquistadoR]

they're all themed on hell or heaven too

Rengoku Onigiri is hell themed too.

 

[ZenZu]

You're making it seem like BM's upscale is secondary, and that's not what's implied at all.

If anything Sengoku is saying Kaido + BM = Xebec + WB + the rest of them.

And you're taking Bumgoku's words way too literally when even narrators can't be trusted in this verse, we already saw that with Garling. Big Mom not being at her prime during Rocks years and Kaidou being a Hanafuda victim at that time would not contradict Bumgoku's statement to begin with.

Btw God Valley is the end of the Rocks Big Mom and Kaidou, if you average out their Rocks years strength, it gets even worse.

 

[Blackbeard]

It doesn't really matter when anyone hit their prime.

Bumger and WB died without being stronger than Xebec at any point of their lives.

 

[sanjikun]

And you're taking Bumgoku's words way too literally when even narrators can't be trusted in this verse, we already saw that with Garling. Big Mom not being in her prime and Kaidou being a Hanafuda victim at that time would not contradict Bumgoku's statement to begin with.

When talking bounties, he made it clear that if Kaido and BM teamup they would destroy any PK level character by a huge margin, basically what Roger + Garp did.

 

[Ven437]

Your Prime Linlin take would become true but at what cost?

LMAO Not surprised this clown doesnt know how to read as usual and tries to lie his way outta an excuse

Youre actually slower than kizarus brain without pika pika boost

 

[Jokerr]

People using age for people prime is cope.
Oda does not give fuck about people being in certain age = prime.
If he want these people at there strongest in there 40's or 50's that is where they be .

Also why the fuck are people making fun about kaido dodging BM attack ?
Fucking momo dodge Kaido attack after now growing up and becoming huge ass dragon fucking momo.
BM tanks a attack that was stronger than what Knock down Oden who almost kill kaido .

It’s because they’re misogynistic dumbasses lol. Attackss like sword slashes/waves can be dodged and evaded by characters VASTLY weaker than whoever performed it because that’s how the story works. Pre-TS Luffy was practically using FS against Mihawk, yet when Kaido dodges ONE attack from BM, all of a sudden it’s downscale? They’re stupid lol

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Ikoku is like Thunder Bagua or Divine Departure imo.

It does not exist without advCoC.

Lnule is not a leaker, BM doesn't have coating.

 

[Blackbeard]

@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk where would you two rank rocks ?

I put him as the third strongest character in op

Just behind joyboy and imu or maybe 4th if we count Davy Jones

I know he was outclassed but being able to hold his own alone for a bit against imu is a crazy feat

• A 1st world primordial god
• Imu
• Joy Boy/Davy Jones
• Davy Jones/Joy Boy
• Xebec

 

[ZippySpace]

Xebec seriously let himself get ragebaited by Imu, huge downscale

 

[Ven437]

Also why the fuck are people making fun about kaido dodging BM attack to downplay her ?
Fucking momo dodge Kaido attack after now growing up and becoming huge ass dragon fucking momo.
BM tanks a attack that was stronger than what Knock down Oden who almost kill kaido .

Theres no downplay, js twist of facts for agenda piece. In this ch Kaido ran away from BM lol

 

[ZenZu]

When talking bounties, he made it clear that if Kaido and BM teamup they would destroy any PK level character by a huge margin, basically what Roger + Garp did.

Ok? Two Yonkou dominating another Top tier alone, is that supposed to be breaking news?

The fact of the matter is that statement wasn't even referencing that day on GV specifically, just Rocks Big Mom and Rocks Kaidou, GV BM and GV Kaidou are like the strongest iteration of their Rocks run, and even still Kaidou isn't ready for Hanafuda. If you average out their Rocks years it's not even close and yes both of them are far stronger during Wano than during their Rocks years. It's obvious and it doesn't contradict anything I said.

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Lnule is not a leaker, BM doesn't have coating.

Thank god, the hell that was about to be unleashed on BM stans was gonna be ugly if her Ikkoku was even stronger than during Wano and she was portrayed as a complete ant next to Garp. I've become somewhat of a Winwin supporter myself lately. Linlin fans are so used to Ls, that they don't know what an L even looks like anymore and will cheer one on.

 

[SkySanji]

Theres no downplay, js twist of facts for agenda piece. In this ch Kaido ran away from BM lol

Big Job is so far beneath him that he doesn't even acknowledge her existence lmao, even when she sneak attacks him, he just casually dodges it without taking his eyes off Imu

 

[Djordje]

It doesn't really matter when anyone hit their prime.

Bumger and WB died without being stronger than Xebec at any point of their lives.

Roger was 39 at GV anyone thinking he was not in his prime should seek professional help.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Big Job is so far beneath him that he doesn't even acknowledge her existence lmao, even when she sneak attacks him, he just casually dodges it without taking his eyes off Imu

Ive said it before.

There is no need to compare Kaido & Linlin any further than their final techniques... Dragon Torch & Misery.

 

[Ven437]

God valley 30-yo BM:

-weaker physical stats
-better physical speed
-decent mastery over DF
-weaker overall haki
-more frequent ACoC coating

Wano 67-yo BM:

-greater physical stats
-less speed (doesnt matter since homies)
-complete mastery over DF
-stronger overall haki
-very little to no ACoC coating

The ACoC coating is smth we know declines with age. WB didnt use it at all and Garp didnt use much of it @Jokerr @Philosoraptor