Versus Battle Kaido of the 100 Beasts vs The Jūbi
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This logic doesn’t work. That’s like saying Roger can “break tectonic plates” because Roger is arguably stronger than Whitebeard
in one piece, people can have stats and feats that are higher than stronger characters
for example Kaido’s own first mate has higher durability than him. This was revealed after 100 chapters of Oda dedicating a full arc to Luffy finding a way of overcoming Kaido’s durability. Literally 100 chapters of Oda hyping up Kaido’s durability. And then out of nowhere, Kaido’s subordinate is randomly revealed to have EVEN HIGHER durability than Kaido who got 100 chapters of hype.
one piece isn’t like Naruto or Bleach or Dragon ball where every power is more or less born from the same source therefore every stat can be measured upon how much of that “source power” you have. Like since everyone uses Ki in dbz, having higher Ki automatically translates to Higher speed strength durability across the board.
this isn’t how OP works. There is too many different sources of power that interact in unique ways for you to make blanket statements.
Roger is either equal or stronger than Whitebeard but Roger has NOWHERE NEAR Whitebeard’s DC since Roger doesn’t have Whitebeard’s DF.
in one piece, people can have stats and feats that are higher than stronger characters
for example Kaido’s own first mate has higher durability than him. This was revealed after 100 chapters of Oda dedicating a full arc to Luffy finding a way of overcoming Kaido’s durability. Literally 100 chapters of Oda hyping up Kaido’s durability. And then out of nowhere, Kaido’s subordinate is randomly revealed to have EVEN HIGHER durability than Kaido who got 100 chapters of hype.
one piece isn’t like Naruto or Bleach or Dragon ball where every power is more or less born from the same source therefore every stat can be measured upon how much of that “source power” you have. Like since everyone uses Ki in dbz, having higher Ki automatically translates to Higher speed strength durability across the board.
this isn’t how OP works. There is too many different sources of power that interact in unique ways for you to make blanket statements.
Roger is either equal or stronger than Whitebeard but Roger has NOWHERE NEAR Whitebeard’s DC since Roger doesn’t have Whitebeard’s DF.
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Even so, we’re talking about a life/surface wiper for a planet as large as the One Piece world.
Not to mention Enel’s cover story, where the space pirates destroy one-third of the moon — and the explosion can be seen from the One Piece planet. The Ancient Weapons are WAY beyond that, to say the least!
Saying they can only destroy an island is extreme downplay, especially considering Crocodile’s statement was made back in Alabasta (2002), when Oda didn’t even know if One Piece would still be running in the next five years.
Kaido would be able to confront Whitebeard’s earthquake punch from Marineford that shook distant islands, just like any other top tier in the verse. That’s what I meant — he rides on Old Beard’s DC feats, not because he can cause earthquakes like Whitebeard, but because his AP is comparable.
Hit from DB Super never destroyed anything either, but he rides on the DC of universal characters because his AP is similar.
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Even so, we’re talking about a life/surface wiper for a planet as large as the One Piece world.
Not to mention Enel’s cover story, where the space pirates destroy one-third of the moon — and the explosion can be seen from the One Piece planet. The Ancient Weapons are WAY beyond that, to say the least!
Saying they can only destroy an island is extreme downplay, especially considering Crocodile’s statement was made back in Alabasta (2002), when Oda didn’t even know if One Piece would still be running in the next five years.
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Kaido would be able to confront Whitebeard’s earthquake punch from Marineford that shook distant islands, just like any other top tier in the verse. That’s what I meant — he rides on Old Beard’s DC feats, not because he can cause earthquakes like Whitebeard, but because his AP is comparable.
Hit from DB Super never destroyed anything either, but he rides on the DC of universal characters because his AP is similar.
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That's why we scale characters...
For example, the cyborgs destroyed no planets, yet they were still stronger than Frieza who can easily wipe out planets like it's nothing.
Not really because the Juubi in the war arc was a mindless huge chakra beast which couldn't even control its chakra. Hashirama and Co created a barrier which easily imprisoned the beast. So you could say it used about 20 to 30% of its true power and potential.
Later on, when Obito became the Jinchuriki, he easily tore through the barrier since he was able to control the chakra. The same Juubito is nothing in comparison to Toneri who got the power of the Tenseigan - Hamura's power.
Hashirama and Hamura both fought their mother and not the incomplete version that was in the war arc.
That's why I don't scale the Juubi to the actual god tiers in Naruto. Although the Juubi is also the chakra source for their tremenduous powers, other factors such as the Otsutsuki powers are also crucial. That's why Juubito was significantly weaker than 1 Rinnegan Alive Madara although he carried more chakra due to the Juubi. At the end, he was no Indra reincarnation. Naruto and Sasuke were reincarnations of Hagoromo's siblings, so with a certain portion of the ten tails power, Naruto grew considerably more powerful than Juubito, the same with Rinnegan Sasuke who got the doujutsu instead.
For example, the cyborgs destroyed no planets, yet they were still stronger than Frieza who can easily wipe out planets like it's nothing.
Not really because the Juubi in the war arc was a mindless huge chakra beast which couldn't even control its chakra. Hashirama and Co created a barrier which easily imprisoned the beast. So you could say it used about 20 to 30% of its true power and potential.
Later on, when Obito became the Jinchuriki, he easily tore through the barrier since he was able to control the chakra. The same Juubito is nothing in comparison to Toneri who got the power of the Tenseigan - Hamura's power.
Hashirama and Hamura both fought their mother and not the incomplete version that was in the war arc.
That's why I don't scale the Juubi to the actual god tiers in Naruto. Although the Juubi is also the chakra source for their tremenduous powers, other factors such as the Otsutsuki powers are also crucial. That's why Juubito was significantly weaker than 1 Rinnegan Alive Madara although he carried more chakra due to the Juubi. At the end, he was no Indra reincarnation. Naruto and Sasuke were reincarnations of Hagoromo's siblings, so with a certain portion of the ten tails power, Naruto grew considerably more powerful than Juubito, the same with Rinnegan Sasuke who got the doujutsu instead.
You are correct, that's the main reason the Juubi had to stopped in the past by Hagoromo and then also in the War arc.
It had more than enough chakra and firepower to decimate the planet.
It can even pull the moon down if it wanted and was already pulling the moon closer to the earth in the war arc.
It had more than enough chakra and firepower to decimate the planet.
It can even pull the moon down if it wanted and was already pulling the moon closer to the earth in the war arc.
The effect has changed the surface of the world.
It is the same effevt as a meteor, who is big as a city and hit the earth, it not just only destroy and leave a crater, the effect will bring destroy over the world.
Of course it is not what Vegeta is capable to do, because that it is "only" small planet lvl, because the effect change the entire world.
It is the same effevt as a meteor, who is big as a city and hit the earth, it not just only destroy and leave a crater, the effect will bring destroy over the world.
Of course it is not what Vegeta is capable to do, because that it is "only" small planet lvl, because the effect change the entire world.
I've been reading posts when people scale Juubi to god tiers but after some research, this is far from the truth.
The Juubi which fought Hagoromo and Hamura isn't the same mindless Juubi which was used in the war. It was a mindless beast which spammed its attacks left and right but when a concentrated barrier was surrounding the Juubi, it couldn't deal damage to it at all.
When Obito absorbed the Juubi, he learned to use its power and thus, grew stronger than the Juubi. Yet, 1 Rinnegan Madara would beat the shit out of Juubito - and even the same Juudara, someone far stronger than Juubito, only reached Hagoromo's level when he absorbed the Shinjuu Tree and gained his 2nd Rinnegan. That's when god tiers truly start. Juubi is still far from it.
Furthermore, nowhere in the war arc has Juubi ever shown the feat to pull the moon, lol. This thing didn't even have the chakra control to break Hashirama's barrier and people believe it is pulling a Toneri feat? Toneri himself was Hamura level near the end of the movie with the Tenseigan. And even without the Tenseigan, Toneri is an Otsutsuki, just like Asura and Indra. So it's obvious where he stands.
About Mother Flame, no character scales to the ancient weapon so far, so even if this weapon can destroy planets, OP top tiers are far from this kind of power output as well.
The Juubi which fought Hagoromo and Hamura isn't the same mindless Juubi which was used in the war. It was a mindless beast which spammed its attacks left and right but when a concentrated barrier was surrounding the Juubi, it couldn't deal damage to it at all.
When Obito absorbed the Juubi, he learned to use its power and thus, grew stronger than the Juubi. Yet, 1 Rinnegan Madara would beat the shit out of Juubito - and even the same Juudara, someone far stronger than Juubito, only reached Hagoromo's level when he absorbed the Shinjuu Tree and gained his 2nd Rinnegan. That's when god tiers truly start. Juubi is still far from it.
Furthermore, nowhere in the war arc has Juubi ever shown the feat to pull the moon, lol. This thing didn't even have the chakra control to break Hashirama's barrier and people believe it is pulling a Toneri feat? Toneri himself was Hamura level near the end of the movie with the Tenseigan. And even without the Tenseigan, Toneri is an Otsutsuki, just like Asura and Indra. So it's obvious where he stands.
About Mother Flame, no character scales to the ancient weapon so far, so even if this weapon can destroy planets, OP top tiers are far from this kind of power output as well.