Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's not about how Oden sees himself

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I was going to post a panel that debunks that entire message but I just didn't want to

 

[comrade]

A short reminder for all the speed readers who are suddenly surprised at the unrecognizable performance of the "old legends":

"I've brought to life one of my countless fantasies: which is for there to be super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"maintained their strength throughout the years."

Sorry, Wuzan is simply that guy.

Also, y'all can wait till their +45yo versions show some feats but I bet this will hardly look that different compared to their old geezer versions.

Whitebeard put his heart and soul into his last two blows against Akainu. Blows that were filled with the grief and anger of the loss of his son and the desire to let the rest of his sons escape.

This was Akainu shortly after:

Just how much can the admirals eat? Kizaru ate G5 Luffy's attacks for breakfast, and Kuzan was taking Garp's ACoC punches to the face casually.

 

[kekaro]

Whitebeard put his heart and soul into his last two blows against Akainu. Blows that were filled with the grief and anger of the loss of his son and the desire to let the rest of his sons escape.

This was Akainu shortly after:

Just how much can the admirals eat? Kizaru ate G5 Luffy's attacks for breakfast, and Kuzan was taking Garp's ACoC punches to the face casually.

Akainu is on that vergo mc fatty diet for sure

 

[Roo]

I’m guessing we’ll get 2 chapter of Rox vs Roger and Garp until they separate. During this time Gaban and Ray will get some small matchup but we’ll see no fight.

After that I think we have another few chapters

Oda doesn’t show full blown fights in flashbacks and we’re almost done with all the mysteries. All that’s left is how Roger and Garp beat Rocks, how Shanks ends up with the Roger pirates and what happens to God Valley

I don’t think it will take more than 3 chapters for all of this to be resolved

 

[kekaro]

how Shanks ends up with the Roger pirates

and that one he already drew in that booklet

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Koby is strong but you probably need to be a high top tier to even stand a chance against Imu.

Kid 2v1ed a yonko and got a 3 billion berry bounty in wano. He could easily return EoS as a high top tier.

Koby’s only fought YCs like Pizarro and Hancock. He will surely be an admiral EoS, but that’s probably not enough to face Imu.

Agreed hence why I still believe time passes differently for those outside of elbaf. Hence sword would have time to get a decent powerup

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

The problem is, and @grey matter actually pointed this out correctly into my mind, this is not rogers moment
Rogers moment is when he becomes PK
This is the biggest moment in garps career and Xebecs finishing story, likely his wifes death too and also important moment for Little Fatbeard

Meaning even in a meta narrative sense, as Gaban put it, they are no "captain privleges here"

Roger is actually set up to come out a massive fraud

Yeah this is what I believe too. I guess Roger got all this wank because he became the PK

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

We’re going to cut away from the action next chapter then cut back and see Garp/Roger finish Xebec off with a combo attack

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Nope. As the scene shows, he was know as a WB pirate first at that time, even to someone like Sakazuki let alone giants who the marines tricked into working for them. If you think Oimo and Kashi, who spent their time sleeping in Enies Lobby, are more reliable sources for the Marine's perception of individual pirates than actual officers, I don't know what to tell you.

Sakazuki literally wasn’t even shocked when Sengoku called oden a Roger Pirate. He likely already knew, but again that doesn’t matter as much to these marines cause none of them actually fought the Roger pirates but they’ve all been at war with the Whitebeard Pirates.

Obviously the ones who remember 25 years ago as if it was yesterday are more reliable than a human cause giants have a different concept of time

 

[LemonadeCandy]

Reading comprehension at an all time low when it's difficult for people to understand that characters can only talk about things from their own limited knowledge and perspective.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

When did Oda every said that shit.

Wait I remembered who you are. You the one who worships Coby as he was relevant. Hahahaaaha

If you lack the compact to research and read it's on you. LOOK IT UP. IT WAS STATED THAT KIZARU LEARNED TO DECREASE THE TIME FOR HIM CASTING HIS LIGHT AND RELKCATING TO WHERE IT WAS CASTED. READ

 

[The DevilMaster]

A short reminder for all the speed readers who are suddenly surprised at the unrecognizable performance of the "old legends":

"I've brought to life one of my countless fantasies: which is for there to be super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"maintained their strength throughout the years."

Sorry, Wuzan is simply that guy.

Also, y'all can wait till their +45yo versions show some feats but I bet this will hardly look that different compared to their old geezer versions.

Then why was one of Rayleigh’s main complaints him saying he wasn’t who he used to be in his prime, and that he was old? There are dozens of contradictions in that SBS — unless you interpret it correctly, and not the wrong way like you’re doing right now, man.

Simply one of the most illogical things I’ve ever read — aging and still keeping the same strength = he got older but somehow still has his prime-level strength.

And to top it off, you have Whitebeard calling Garp “just an old man now,” which seals the whole idea.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Oda doesn’t show full blown fights in flashbacks and we’re almost done with all the mysteries. All that’s left is how Roger and Garp beat Rocks, how Shanks ends up with the Roger pirates and what happens to God Valley

I don’t think it will take more than 3 chapters for all of this to be resolved

I think it will namely cause I don’t think Roger and Garp beat rocks. This is Haralds flashback, Harald knew Rox was coming here and why, I think Haralds going to play a role here.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Loby is a weak clown

he ain't doing shit

Agreed. Hence why we should put stocks in koby/Woby/Sora/Garps Successor/Pink Mamba

 

[Sentinel]

Just how much can the admirals eat? Kizaru ate G5 Luffy's attacks for breakfast, and Kuzan was taking Garp's ACoC punches to the face casually.

Not only that, Kuzan was enhancing an equal amount of punching power next to Old Garp, causing a huge Haki shockwave which dwarfs everything we've seen so far in God Valley.

It is the fact that Kuzan, who seemed like the admiral relying the most about his DF, somehow ended up as a punching legend just like Garp. Kuzan reached Garp's punching power - in the flashback - before Garp grew old! So their "Yeah, Kuzan matched an injured Old Garp" is just disingenuous nonsense when he was matching his power a decade ago lol. If you asked me in Wano if Kuzan is a physical beast like Garp, I'd honestly laugh at you.

Oda proves that Admirals are complete beasts for a reason.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Xebec was killed less than 40 years ago as the biggest pirate of his era with most people now a days not knowing anything about him

Oden was an active pirate for 5 years with only 1 of those years being with Roger. Even Sakazuki remembered oden as a wbp not Roger pirate despite being active

The scabbards actually personally knew oden was apart of both crews. That’s like being surprised big mom or even oven knows about rocks

Gaban > oden and kaido coming from the same dumbass that believes

1. Crocodile is admiral level and comparable to mihawk
2. Katakuri is the Mr. 3 of commanders while king and queen the Mr. 1 and 2
3. Doflamingo is stronger than katakuri
4. Kizaru is the Mr. 3 of commanders while ryokugyu and fujitora the Mr. 1 and 2
5. Sanji was comparable to all out Luffy post timeskip
6. Wci Sanji can beat cracker

I’m shocked

Dude no way you seriously think Oden > Gaban
Old Gaban has better feats than Oden

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Then why was one of Rayleigh’s main complaints him saying he wasn’t who he used to be in his prime, and that he was old? There are dozens of contradictions in that SBS — unless you interpret it correctly, and not the wrong way like you’re doing right now, man.

and also garp saying he's gotten weaker multiple times
and whitebeard saying the same
same for chinjao
Be careful though because me and you both know they're about to jump your ass for saying this lol

 

[RayanOO]

A short reminder for all the speed readers who are suddenly surprised at the unrecognizable performance of the "old legends":

"I've brought to life one of my countless fantasies: which is for there to be super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"super cool old people who've maintained their strength throughout the years."
"maintained their strength throughout the years."

Sorry, Wuzan is simply that guy.

Also, y'all can wait till their +45yo versions show some feats but I bet this will hardly look that different compared to their old geezer versions.

Oda the master baiter

 

[kekaro]

Reading comprehension at an all time low when it's difficult for people to understand that characters can only talk about things from their own limited knowledge and perspective.

Correct
Who knew oden?
Gaban.
Who told about to the roger pirates to the giants and is famous in elbaf?
Gaban.
Who dont mention Lolden as one of the strongest talking about roger and his crew?
The giants
tldr. the underwear dancer is not relevant and even the braindead mainstream fans realizied with this chapter that odens claim to fame, "kaidos top 5" is a meme

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Then why was one of Rayleigh’s main complaints him saying he wasn’t who he used to be in his prime, and that he was old? There are dozens of contradictions in that SBS — unless you interpret it correctly, and not the wrong way like you’re doing right now, man.

and also garp saying he's gotten weaker multiple times
and whitebeard saying the same
same for chinjao
Be careful though because me and you both know they're about to jump your ass for saying this lol

No one is saying they didn’t get weaker.

How much weaker is the question?

Just eye balling it seems like they’re still ~80% prime power