Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It’s almost as if you can compensate in other areas?

or do you think WB and Roger have the same haki proficiency? Roger has better haki, WB catches up with his DF

you guys have a very distorted idea of power systems

If oda cared about haki he’d actually make it make sense

It doesn't need to make sense for it to be true, though.
You can say Haki is a shit power system and that some fruits are just as, if not more important than, Haki, but you can't deny that Haki is still very important. Throughout the timeskip, it's the powerup Oda's focused on the most. That's just a fact.
Now we may finally be returning to DF supremacy, but it's something that only really applies to the best DFs like Imu, Luffy, Teach, and Loki's fruits.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It doesn't need to make sense for it to be true, though.
You can say Haki is a shit power system and that some fruits are just as, if not more important than, Haki, but you can't deny that Haki is still very important. Throughout the timeskip, it's the powerup Oda's focused on the most. That's just a fact.
Now we may finally be returning to DF supremacy, but it's something that only really applies to the best DFs like Imu, Luffy, Teach, and Loki's fruits.

Hakis important in the vein as it inflates power levels, but it’ll never be the primary power system of the verse

 

[centurion]

It was confirmed Loki didn't eat it lol.

Then why does he still have seastone cuffs on?

 

[Topi Jerami]

What I need to understand is how everyone who encountered Imu and probably watched Rocks die are just totally lax about what they saw the next 40 odd years except Roger.

Like Roger after this becomes PK and at least knows everything, then he gives up believing he wasnt born at the right time. Bro literally decides to have children after this point thinking he'd be succeeded by Ace.

Whitebeard and Garp are....odd. The former just wants a family. The latter stays a marine. But both encounter this thing sitting at the top of the world and seem to be okay with doing nothing about it.

At least Kaido and BM hated Roger or felt surpassed by him, but still thought they could be something on top of the world.


Idk how I feel about this encounter lol. None of these people talk about the danger a Mind controlled Gorosei poses for years and they all fought it together and did nothing. Just seems like fanservice ultimately when nobody talks about it. Hell Rocks already was a hard concept to accept since he only became a thing 250 chapters ago. Imu is worse because he's supposed to be hidden.

I need to see how these next few chapters play out. If it gives a new perspective on what each of these 6 were thinking in their future motivations, then cool. But if they all just play it off and arent ambitious outside of Roger then idk why Oda drew this event this way lol.


Tldr: 5 people (not including Rocks who knew about Imu for years) found out about Imu directly here and its weird in the context of earlier chapters.

Maybe their memories got erased?
It doesn't make sense how Whitebeard: both in his pre TS appearances and Oden flashback, Big Mom: in WCI and Wano, Kaido in Wano, Garp in all of his appearances, Rayleigh in Sabaody; none of them ever talked or at least hinted about Imu's existence.
They only talked about One Piece the treasure but nobody seemed to remember how there was this supposed God Tier appearing in God Valley.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

People say this chapter ruins BB final villain stocks, but I actually disagree.

The fact that there was a “promise” between Davy Jones and Imu, means it’s very likely Teach will fulfill that “promise.”

It makes the chance of BB playing a role in the role endgame high as fuck.
But I don't think he's going to be the FV, I think to beat Imu all the D. will have to unify instead of fighting each other

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

If you go by actual Japanese version of this panel then this is what BB said.... perhaps foreshadowing - "Devil's Power"

Devil's fruit is also a foreshadowing

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Maybe their memories got erased?
It doesn't make sense how Whitebeard: both in his pre TS appearances and Oden flashback, Big Mom: in WCI and Wano, Kaido in Wano, Garp in all of his appearances, Rayleigh in Sabaody; none of them ever talked or at least hinted about Imu's existence.
They only talked about One Piece the treasure but nobody seemed to remember how there was this supposed God Tier appearing in God Valley.

I mean I don’t think any of them were told it was Imu

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Hakis important in the vein as it inflates power levels, but it’ll never be the primary power system of the verse

Well that hasn't been the case since the timeskip started. Like I said, y'all are right that in the end game it'll take a backseat to fruits like the Yami, but even then it'll still be very prominent.
All this buildup just can't be for nothing.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

It makes the chance of BB playing a role in the role endgame high as fuck.
But I don't think he's going to be the FV, I think to beat Imu all the D. will have to unify instead of fighting each other

This also means Law is going to fight Imu @Roo @MonochromeYoru @Ven437 @park_min young

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

The English scans are hype as fuck

@Blackbeard Webec is talking crazy shit to Fraudmu

 

[Roo]

It doesn't need to make sense for it to be true, though.
You can say Haki is a shit power system and that some fruits are just as, if not more important than, Haki, but you can't deny that Haki is still very important. Throughout the timeskip, it's the powerup Oda's focused on the most. That's just a fact.
Now we may finally be returning to DF supremacy, but it's something that only really applies to the best DFs like Imu, Luffy, Teach, and Loki's fruits.

Exactly

you think Roger being top 1 with haki means haki is superior when in fact it just means his proficiency is so high WB needs a top tier DF to match it with his haki

as long as Oda makes it a point to highlight how important DFs are then no they’re not overtaken by haki in terms of strength relevance.

 

[Blackbeard]

Then why does he still have seastone cuffs on?

Elbaf's legendary DF was stolen by WsW's father before Red Rat taking it.

Loki went to the sea and got himself another top tier DF.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Well that hasn't been the case since the timeskip started. Like I said, y'all are right that in the end game it'll take a backseat to fruits like the Yami, but even then it'll still be very prominent.
All this buildup just can't be for nothing.

Since the timeskip started we’ve just been in the longest training arc of all time. However, even that training arc was capped off with Nika awakening as the most important power up despite all the haki boosts Luffy got.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Exactly

you think Roger being top 1 with haki means haki is superior when in fact it just means his proficiency is so high WB needs a top tier DF to match it with his haki

as long as Oda makes it a point to highlight how important DFs are then no they’re not overtaken by haki in terms of strength relevance.

Note how he has the strongest Paramecia in history.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Kaidos opinions have been permanently invalidated

why is that ?

 

[Paperchampion23]

It makes the chance of BB playing a role in the role endgame high as fuck.
But I don't think he's going to be the FV, I think to beat Imu all the D. will have to unify instead of fighting each other

To add to this, I am 150% doubting any complexity to how people will be fought. Oda has so far removed that complexity from Shanks to the point that a twin exists to cover any sort of antagonism he might have had in the past. Blackbeard's goal is clear but he's in no way the endgame to this series because he does not represent the hidden state of the world unlike Imu

There is an endgoal to finding One Piece and figuring out the void century and that all ties back to one entity in the WG. Blackbeard superceding that basically invalidates that goal, and Oda isnt complicated enough with his storytelling to imply the endgame will be any different than it has been stated the last 300 chapters.

It has always been clear to me that Blackbeard is the PK roadblock, especially now that Shanks has a twin who Luffy can fight either in Elbaf or soon after.

 

[Reborn]

To add to this, I am 150% doubting any complexity to how people will be fought. Oda has so far removed that complexity from Shanks to the point that a twin exists to cover any sort of antagonism he might have had in the past. Blackbeard goal is clear but he's in no way the endgame to this series because he does not represent the hidden state of the world unlike Imu

There is an endgoal to finding One Piece and figuring out the void century and that all ties back to one entity in the WG. Blackbeard superceding that basically invalidates that goal, and Oda isnt complicated enough with his storytelling to imply the endgame will be any different than it has been stated the last 300 chapters

Bet on BB as FV before it's too late for you, Mr Paper

 

[Sir Yasheen]

why is that ?

Because literally everything he says got invalidated by Rox and Imu here.
“Haki surpasses all!”
Actually two specific devil fruits are needed to surpass the world government.
“No one can defeat me”
Actually I don’t count the being that exists that neg diffed my captain that was way stronger than me

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

The dialogue makes Rayleigh looks so bad

 

[Roo]

Note how he has the strongest Paramecia in history.

Which he never awakened…

Roger unironically has more mastery over his weapon(haki) than whatever WB had