Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1163: "Promise"

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ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
How convenient leaving out Kizaru out of the clownery experience, that they witnessed on Egghead.
Kizaru was just sidelined by being more inflicted with mental damage of his own doing than anything produced by his opponents. He wasn't clowned in the sense the Gorosei were because they didn't have any excuses for their performance, Oda couldn't stop making excuses for Kizaru.
 
At that time we were holding out hope One Piece might have stakes though. Now we know even if Luffy literally gets killed he will be revived back to life and gain a power up out of nowhere. Power ups aren't earned, villains are clowned, look at the Gorosei on egghead. They are unkillable and that didn't stop them from looking like clowns and the stakes felt like nothing.
What type of stakes you talking about ?
OP still have them unless you were thinking the SH would died or something like that .
Then that was never going to happen .
As for villain being clowned on OP always had that but elders were fine on egghead .

EDIT i see you edit with Kizaru nah that is joke the man attack and etc etc get clown on and it was not because of mental damage.
Dude get turn into pizza after trying to counter attack luffy and get his beam eat or kick away by Sanji .
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
What type of stakes you talking about ?
OP still have them unless you were thinking the SH would died or something like that .
Then that was never going to happen .
As for villain being clowned on OP always had that but elders were fine on egghead .
Stakes where stupid actions lead to consequences. Like what this convo is about Saboady, where punching a CD led to the destruction and separation of the SH pirates, which then led up to Ace dying.

Fast forward to today, One Piece has no stakes. We've seen it first hand on Whole Cake Island, where majority of the heavy hitters aren't even available for the Strawhats and an entire empire gets clowned on.
 
Kizaru was just sidelined by being more inflicted with mental damage of his own doing than anything produced by his opponents. He wasn't clowned in the sense the Gorosei were because they didn't have any excuses for their performance, Oda couldn't stop making excuses for Kizaru.
I wasn‘t talking about that.

He got made into a pizza and never stood up after. I don‘t care if he was physically damaged or mentally because of what he did.


As a matter of fact I understand Kizaru‘s motive no argue needed for that, but the fact is, he was made into a pizza and was done afterwards.

Just like Waido got clowned by being made into a jumping rope.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
I wasn‘t talking about that.

He got made into a pizza and never stood up after. I don‘t care if he was physically damaged or mentally because of what he did.


As a matter of fact I understand Kizaru‘s motive no argue needed for that, but the fact is he was into a pizza and was done.

Just like Waido got clowned by being made into a jumping rope.
Oh yea that. That on its own wouldn't even be an issue, Luffy was doing that to Crocodile in Alabasta. The solution was those moments were followed up with an iconic villain scene.

The real issue with Kaidou was how he got clowned by Oden before he even lifted a finger on Onigashima. Oda dehyped him live infront of us before he fought, what manga author does this to their villains before they even fight?
 
Stakes where stupid actions lead to consequences. Like what this convo is about Saboady, where punching a CD led to the destruction and separation of the SH pirates, which then led up to Ace dying.

Fast forward to today, One Piece has no stakes. We've seen it first hand on Whole Cake Island, where majority of the heavy hitters aren't even available and an entire empire gets clowned on.
Them going to WCI lead to pedro dying which was more stakes than Kizaru on SB.
Hell them fighting in wano lead to the most death in the series ever in one arc.
If anything the arcs now have more stakes since side characters are dying in current day and not just flashbacks.
In pre time skip how many non flashback side character died ?

EDIT hell PH start with 2 current day deaths which take the whole pre time skip to do .
 
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At that time we were holding out hope One Piece might have stakes though. Now we know even if Luffy literally gets killed he will be revived back to life and gain a power up out of nowhere. Power ups aren't earned, villains are clowned, look at the Gorosei on egghead. They are unkillable and that didn't stop them from looking like clowns and the stakes felt like nothing.
Vous me déprimez, vraiment. On lit vos messages après une bouffée de bonheur et vous exterminez toute la joie qui vient de nous envahir pour la transformer en pure haine et un semblant d'expertise sans aucun sens ni narratif, ni social.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Them going to WCI let to pedro dying which was more stakes than Kizaru on SB.
Hell them fighting in wano lead to the most death in the series ever in one arc.
If anything the arcs now have more stake since side character are dying in current day and not just flashbacks.
In pre time skip how many non flashback side character died ?
Bro the strawhats who are already undermanned were underhanded and Big Mom Pirates got flipped upside down, they stole their lunch money and left.

This is when I knew Kaidou was doomed too. The introduction to the Yonkou was an underhanded SH crew without Zoro (Sanji too for the most part), Franky, Robin and Law, clowning on an entire Empire and leaving.

Then Oda expects me to be hype for another Yonkou crew the very next arc when he just got finished dehyping one in the previous arc? But this time with considerable more manpower and powerful heavy hitters on Luffy's side? Act 1 had me fooled, we got hit with reality on the roof.
 
More and more chances of Teach being the final villain rises....
:josad:
Imu is a common enemy to every ppl.
Pirates, Marines, RA, civilian etc
Biggest obstacle and too powerful for any single individual, so various factions will teamup to take him down
After that the throne will be empty for anyone to take it so, the actual final battle will happen after Imu demise.
Kinda the way the story will be moving i suppose...
 
DF merchantry was already confirmed the superior of the two w haki in Wano and Egghead

-Luffy final power-up was Gear 5, DF awakening
-Kaido and BM's strongest atks were purely DF-related, no haki trails shown in the wake
-Luffy's 1 million adcoc atks doing about the same amount of dmg as injection shot
-Law exposing advanced haki as a side quest for him
-Joyboy haki being showcased first before his nika powers, we know which one is gonna lead to more hype

Xebec knew that his adcoc was useless against Imcel. He specifically needed 2 DFs to rule the world. The more haki feats pile up before awakening of certain DFs, the longer the clock ticks
Haki still reign supreme

its Joyboy haki that negate all gorosei back to their base forms
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I just read the chapter and I have come to the conclusion that Zoro alone would fuck Imu up a lot more than 6 of these legends did together. If you still didnt figure out that none of these big shots is anywhere close to Zoro, you will never figure it out.
It is a good thing that in the present day Elbaf, a meeting between a demon and a demon god is drawing closer. :myman:
 
Why are some people coping with the fact that Rocks literally gets fodderised here?
He didn't do squat. Imu literally did not even feel Rocks attack combined with 5 other top tiers attacks. No Rocks did not look good. Domi Reversi literally is Imu's equivalent of Divine Departure/Thunder Bagua.
Rocks literally got 1 tapped by Imu here, who is body nerfed and not even at full power.

Rocks defeat against Imu here was no different to Kids defeat against Shanks.
 
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