Character Discussion Whitebeard was supposedly stronger than Kaidou—but Oden clearly disagrees with that.
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He knew neither Roger pirates nor WB pirates were coming
Cause news literally didn't travel out of wano. Lolden was out at sea for years and did not know shit about what the fuck was happening in wano.
He did not fucking know Orochi became shogun. Or his fucking father "died". Or kaido came to wano and teamed up with orochi. Or about the pisspoor state of wano and it's clown citizens.
Lolden the retard did not know any of that at all until he came back briefly and then fully.
So yeah, he fucking knew that news would not travel out of wano about how he got hostage diffed. So he knew nobody would fucking come to save his sorry ass.
And he also knew about the "prophecy" or whatever from the poneglyphs at raftel. He knew a condom boy would come in 20 years.
That's why his retarded dumbfuck clown retard ass said that.
Kaido of 20 years ago would have lost to like 10+ people lol. Fucking Ray or Gaben woulda beat him.
Cause news literally didn't travel out of wano. Lolden was out at sea for years and did not know shit about what the fuck was happening in wano.
He did not fucking know Orochi became shogun. Or his fucking father "died". Or kaido came to wano and teamed up with orochi. Or about the pisspoor state of wano and it's clown citizens.
Lolden the retard did not know any of that at all until he came back briefly and then fully.
So yeah, he fucking knew that news would not travel out of wano about how he got hostage diffed. So he knew nobody would fucking come to save his sorry ass.
And he also knew about the "prophecy" or whatever from the poneglyphs at raftel. He knew a condom boy would come in 20 years.
That's why his retarded dumbfuck clown retard ass said that.
Kaido of 20 years ago would have lost to like 10+ people lol. Fucking Ray or Gaben woulda beat him.
If there’s one thing that remained true, it’s Oden’s statement.
Kaidou ruled for 20 years and was only taken down by the new generation and by Joyboy. Kaidou himself shared the same belief as Oden — that only Joyboy could defeat him — and he completely dismissed the idea of being taken down by anyone other than Joyboy (from the new generation).
This was said 20 years ago
20 years later said again, just to reinforce how correct Oden was.
Why did kaidou say future here?
Kaidou ruled for 20 years and was only taken down by the new generation and by Joyboy. Kaidou himself shared the same belief as Oden — that only Joyboy could defeat him — and he completely dismissed the idea of being taken down by anyone other than Joyboy (from the new generation).
This was said 20 years ago
20 years later said again, just to reinforce how correct Oden was.
Why did kaidou say future here?
If there’s one thing that remained true, it’s Oden’s statement.
Kaidou ruled for 20 years and was only taken down by the new generation and by Joyboy. Kaidou himself shared the same belief as Oden — that only Joyboy could defeat him — and he completely dismissed the idea of being taken down by anyone other than Joyboy (from the new generation).
This was said 20 years ago
20 years later said again, just to reinforce how correct Oden was.
Why did kaidou say future here?
Kaidou ruled for 20 years and was only taken down by the new generation and by Joyboy. Kaidou himself shared the same belief as Oden — that only Joyboy could defeat him — and he completely dismissed the idea of being taken down by anyone other than Joyboy (from the new generation).
This was said 20 years ago
20 years later said again, just to reinforce how correct Oden was.
Why did kaidou say future here?
The power required to dance tango with Kaido doesn’t necessarily mean they can defeat him. Isn’t Shanks considered by Kaido as someone capable of fighting him? Big Mom also fought him for three days — even if it wasn’t serious — and what do we get from that? Kaido stating that no one in the world can defeat him, and Oda giving him chapters titled The Island of the Strongest.
Using him as a benchmark when it comes to promoting the mom as the strongest living being in the world in the SBS, and finally doing exactly what Kaido himself said — that he would be taken down by Joyboy.
So both Oden’s and Kaido’s words turned out to be true, but when those same words place Whitebeard and the entire old generation below Kaido, somehow they’re suddenly a lie now? For God’s sake.
✅ Kaido was taken down by the new generation.
✅ Kaido was defeated by Joyboy/Nika.
Big Mom wasn't in that panel. Even DFless and young Kaido clowned big meme. Prime Kaido isn't Xebec or Roger level. His bounty would reflect that if he truly was such a threat to the WG. Man, I hate powerscaling. You are taking Oden's words as if they were the gospel.
The prophecy was right. Only Joyboy would cross paths with Kaido and beat him. The others that could take down Kaido didn't even bother to try a shot at him. Why didn't Mihawk take a shot at Kaido? The prophecy boils down to whoever ruled Wano would inevitably have to fight (and lose) Nika.
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The prophecy was right. Only Joyboy would cross paths with Kaido and beat him. The others that could take down Kaido didn't even bother to try a shot at him. Why didn't Mihawk take a shot at Kaido? The prophecy boils down to whoever ruled Wano would inevitably have to fight (and lose) Nika.
We’re facing a huge denial of what the manga actually tells us, do you notice that?
Let me give an example:
In Naruto, the only ones capable of defeating Kaguya are the new generation (Naruto and Sasuke); without them, it’s impossible.
And then the author makes Hagoromo say: The only ones capable of defeating her will appear 20 years in the future; they are the ones who will defeat her.
But somehow, people ignore that the words ‘only ones’ and ‘20 years in the future’ are written and forget their meanings — they actually ignore the meaning behind this statement and say: Madara can defeat Kaguya.
See how bizarre that is?
You’re adding rules that don’t exist. During this time period, Kaido went on expeditions outside Wano, challenged pirates, became a Yonko, recruited pirates, fought Moriah, fought several people in Wano, fought Shanks, and still wasn’t defeated."
Let me give an example:
In Naruto, the only ones capable of defeating Kaguya are the new generation (Naruto and Sasuke); without them, it’s impossible.
And then the author makes Hagoromo say: The only ones capable of defeating her will appear 20 years in the future; they are the ones who will defeat her.
But somehow, people ignore that the words ‘only ones’ and ‘20 years in the future’ are written and forget their meanings — they actually ignore the meaning behind this statement and say: Madara can defeat Kaguya.
See how bizarre that is?
You’re adding rules that don’t exist. During this time period, Kaido went on expeditions outside Wano, challenged pirates, became a Yonko, recruited pirates, fought Moriah, fought several people in Wano, fought Shanks, and still wasn’t defeated."
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My guy, bring the panels with the official translation. Kaido isn't surviving a fight with bloodlusted PrimeBeard imo. Even though he is wayyyy more tanky, Gura Gura no mi potential AP shits on what Luffy pulled out to finish Kaido. Gura gura no mi is the fruit that can destroy the world. Gura Gura awakening is certainly enough for Kaido. Quote me again when it's for BB to go down. Shounen logic dictates that endgame villains are always stronger.
Why did Oden and Oda emphasize twice that not even Prime Whitebeard, Garp, Rayleigh, Gaban, Big Mom, Shiki, or any other pirate of the time could take down Kaidou? The emphasis on “the ones who can strike down Kaido” makes it clear that no one else had enough strength, limiting the possibility of defeat to specific figures who didn’t even exist yet. In this way, it literally says that Kaidou was the STRONGEST for two decades, completely contradicting the idea that Whitebeard was stronger than Kaidou. @nik87 @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @MonsterKaido @Hanzo hattori
Look at what is said below.
" Without a doubt he is currently strongest pirate of the world "
Without a doubt means no room for mistake , WHitebeard is confirmed stronger than Kaido.
Now that we have that covered lets see what Oden actually said :
" They are the ones who can strike Kaido down "
Oden is talking in plural " They " not " him " . As I proved above WB was already confirmed stronger than Kaido so Oden statement suggest that Whitebeard crew is not strong enough to take down Kaido and his crew not that WHitebeard himself is weaker than Kaido ( WB cant possibly be weaker when manga already stated that without a doubt he is strongest pirate )
EVen later Oden says : " They will be ones to strike Kaido " again talking in plural.
Oden never said Whitebeard is weaker than Kaido he just did not believe that his crew was strong enough to take down Kaido and his forces.
If this is so clear, then why did Oden say there would be no one else capable of defeating Kaido? If Whitebeard is this insanely feared monster, far above Oden? I mean, during all that time Oden sailed with Whitebeard, couldn’t he realize how godlike and superior Whitebeard actually was?
The Flame Torch and the BG are, in my opinion, the two strongest attacks; no character from the old generation is capable of replicating an attack of that magnitude.
Alright, that’s nice and all, but think about it: the power of the Gura Gura is widely known, as are its capabilities, and yet people created a saying that if it’s one-on-one, always bet on Kaido because he will win. So, like, why are they saying Kaido can beat Whitebeard?
The Flame Torch and the BG are, in my opinion, the two strongest attacks; no character from the old generation is capable of replicating an attack of that magnitude.
Alright, that’s nice and all, but think about it: the power of the Gura Gura is widely known, as are its capabilities, and yet people created a saying that if it’s one-on-one, always bet on Kaido because he will win. So, like, why are they saying Kaido can beat Whitebeard?
So, going by this logic, only Zoro, Law, Killer, Kidd and Luffy can beat Kaido, but WB can't? Kaido lost after fighting a gauntlet. WB pirates and other legends could definitely replicate this. Kaido didn't go down after a duel.
Dude, Oden was saying that only joyboy would cross paths with him for the control of Wano. Kaido only briefly clashed with other yonko in the meantime. None of them tried to take down Kaido. Mihawk and Shanks are most definitely contenders. Kaido himself praised them.
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Dude, Oden was saying that only joyboy would cross paths with him for the control of Wano. Kaido only briefly clashed with other yonko in the meantime. None of them tried to take down Kaido. Mihawk and Shanks are most definitely contenders. Kaido himself praised them.
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Let me put it in a way you’ll understand: I have a knife and a sacred hammer, and these two items are the only ones capable of defeating Kaido.
Whitebeard has a sword, Roger has a gun, Garp has a cannon, etc.
Then, 20 years later, two guys appear — one with the hammer and the other with the sacred knife — and they defeat Kaido. The key to Kaido’s defeat was the hammer and the knife, which are said to be the only things capable of beating him. If someone appears with a sword, a gun, or a cannon, they will fail to do it.
So it doesn’t matter to me that Whitebeard could handle the knife and hammer that Kaido couldn’t; what matters is that Whitebeard doesn’t possess the knife and hammer capable of defeating Kaido.
Oden and Kaido excluded anyone who wasn’t part of the new generation, with Joyboy being the only one said to be capable of defeating Kaido.
Whitebeard has a sword, Roger has a gun, Garp has a cannon, etc.
Then, 20 years later, two guys appear — one with the hammer and the other with the sacred knife — and they defeat Kaido. The key to Kaido’s defeat was the hammer and the knife, which are said to be the only things capable of beating him. If someone appears with a sword, a gun, or a cannon, they will fail to do it.
So it doesn’t matter to me that Whitebeard could handle the knife and hammer that Kaido couldn’t; what matters is that Whitebeard doesn’t possess the knife and hammer capable of defeating Kaido.
Oden and Kaido excluded anyone who wasn’t part of the new generation, with Joyboy being the only one said to be capable of defeating Kaido.
How many times did fodder witness Gura Gura awakening? Casual gura punches>luffy coc+coa infused gear 4 blows. Gura Gura no mi outscales the gomu gomu/nika fruit.
My guy, the fucking elders have better hax than Kaido to survive fights like that. They are literally immortal. You don't need a sacred DF to beat Kaido, you just need crazy AP and DC. Top Top Tier haki is enough for Kaido.
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My guy, the fucking elders have better hax than Kaido to survive fights like that. They are literally immortal. You don't need a sacred DF to beat Kaido, you just need crazy AP and DC. Top Top Tier haki is enough for Kaido.
The Gura Gura isn’t awakened — we witnessed Whitebeard fight with it at Marineford and now at God Valley, and it showed no signs of awakening. And even if it were, people are still saying out there that Kaido would beat Whitebeard with an awakened Gura Gura.
In fact, a member of Whitebeard’s crew — Whitebeard’s brother — said that there would be no one else capable of defeating Kaido besides him.
The Gura Gura no Mi, which Kaido witnessed while sailing alongside Whitebeard, carried so much weight in Kaido’s decision about who would supposedly defeat him in the future that he completely ruled out Whitebeard in that assumption.
In fact, a member of Whitebeard’s crew — Whitebeard’s brother — said that there would be no one else capable of defeating Kaido besides him.
The Gura Gura no Mi, which Kaido witnessed while sailing alongside Whitebeard, carried so much weight in Kaido’s decision about who would supposedly defeat him in the future that he completely ruled out Whitebeard in that assumption.
broooooooooooooooo, Kaido knew that none of the previous gen were Joyboy. This isn't about power level. It's about destiny and shit. Kaido would fall by joyboy. Whoever took Wano would. Yeah, WB is definitely not using Awakening when his crew is around. Let's see if BB will give a shit about that. People said Luffy needed another timeskip to beat Doffy lol. People read two piece.
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