Future Events Shouldn't next arc be the final war?

Is final war happening next arc?


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#21
Oda is the one separating them lol.


Concludes the time that a royalty was on the ship after a couple arcs(Vivi and Momo)
Enemy is a warlord in Alabasta, Dressrosa fits more there.


Both Vivi and Momo are insulted by the main villain
Luffy is beaten by the main villain, more then once
Strawhats seperate, with Luffy losing to the main villain while separated from the crew
That's the plot fot entire one piece arc lol.
Each villain insults. Luffy gets beaten more than once.


Main villain wants to destroy a large population center, is indifferent to the casualties, as they see it as part of a plan to change the world and challenge the government
Kaidou just wants to place his castle on top of Capital castle, nothing about Killing everyone in the Capital.


Pluton is relevant
Wano is not pluton relevent lol.


Main villain has a sidekick, who Zoro struggles to cut
Main villain works with a women, who they do not trust
Yes that's why Kaidou was angry/sad when big mom was beaten lol



You can literally do this for any arc in OP, ever.
You're forcing parallels here.
 
#22
Pre-TS = Racist Shark ---> Manipulator Warlord ---> Overpowered Destroyer ---> Extremist WG Squad ---> Mysterious Four who Stole Dawn.
Post-TS is a Re-Imagining of same Formula.

Yes, this Holy Knights Saga will include Biggest War in One Piece, but it's not Ending Arc.
There is still a Threat bigger than Imu (Who I believe is just a Scientist btw, that's why He is King of Rats)
 
#23
Get better arguments.
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Pre-TS = Racist Shark ---> Manipulator Warlord ---> Overpowered Destroyer ---> Extremist WG Squad ---> Mysterious Four who Stole Dawn.
Post-TS is a Re-Imagining of same Formula.

Yes, this Holy Knights Saga will include Biggest War in One Piece, but it's not Ending Arc.
There is still a Threat bigger than Imu (Who I believe is just a Scientist btw, that's why He is King of Rats)
I didn't said " final arc ". But the Final war arc... more like greatest war arc.
 

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#24
You said Luffy vs BB at the end


So, you are probably right. No need for me to go into details
 
#27
Are you drunk or what?
Zou and Skypiea is simple lore based chapters, both tells you about Ponelglyph, which SH encounters for the first time. And Zou where they encounter Red ponelglyph for the first time.

Egghead matched Sabaody whether you like it or not.
Egghead - Escape arc , (Same goes for sabaody)
Egghead - Hitting Celestial dragon/ Buster call, (Same as Sabaody)
Egghead - Kuma is involved in both thr arcs directly.
They encountered the first Poneglyph on Alabasta. They also encoutnered one at Fishman Island, and a Rode Ponelgyph that was no longer there was mentioned and shown in a flashback.

Zou's counterpart is Drum:
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Zou is inhabited by Minks, who are animal human hybrids. In Drum, Zoan Devilfruits were introduced. They turned Dalton and Chopper into half human half animal also. Chopper is so close to Minks. he showed romantic interest in one. The most dangerous animals on Drum were large humanoid rabbits. With White fur and red eyes, like Minks when they go into Sulong.
When the Strawhats arrived in Drum, they learned that the Blackbeard Pirates had recently attacked. When they arrived in Zou, they learned that Jack of the Beast Pirates had recently attacked. He had used poison gas from which the Minks were dying. Chopper safed them. In Drum, Wapol had banished most doctors and took the rest with him when he fled from Blackbeard. His subjects were in desperate need of medical care and the only one who provided it were Kureha, and her assistant Chopper.
Chopper was born december 24th, with a blue nose. Like Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, he has a weirdly colored nose. He pulled a sleigh in which Kureha was sitting, just like reindeers are said to transport Santa. Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Jack nailed the Zou leaders to a cross, just like how Jesus died. One arc alludes to Jesus' birth, the other to his death.
Later Wapol came back to reclaim his kingdom. In Zou, Capone Bege suddenly appeared to abduct Sanji. Wapol and Bege were similar in ability and appearance. Both roundly shaped men had eaten Paramecias, that allowed them to turn their bodies into buildings. Wapol transformed into a house with canons for arms. Bege can turn himself into a castle, equipped with canons. Wapol's Munch-Munch Fruit allowed him to "eat" his subordinates. Bege hid his crewmates in his body.
In Drum we met the oldest known human, Kureha. Zou is on the back of the oldest known creature, the gigantic elephant Zunesha. In Zou, we learned of Roger's travel to Lodestar. Kureha revealed that he was Gol D., not Gold, Roger. So the Will of D was first talked about on Drum Island, which likely is related to the Drums of liberation, that Zunesha mentioned when Luffy awakened.
Skypiea is more like a mini version of the whole story, or a parallel for the Final War.

Escape arc is comically unspecific. They flee at the end of most arcs. Luffy fleed from Magellan, the crew fled from Hina (Bon Clay sacrificed himself both times) and so on. Kuma is involved in other arcs directly. Thrillerbark comes to mind. Additionally, Arc parallels are not about reoccuring characters. No character from Alabasta reappears in Dressrosa, though that doesn't lessen the similiarities.
 
#28
No.
Final War will happen after finding the One Piece.
Before the Final War there will be Battle for the One Piece
So after Elbaf we will get Lodestar arc,
Davy Fight against Buggy and his crew
And only then the Battle for One Piece will happen
 
#30
I think the pre TS post TS parallel is getting screwed up here. For example Zou isn't the Drum parallel unless all you're looking at are furry Zoans.
 
#31
In theory,yes.

But,its difficult to say,as we dont know exactly how the story plays out. The key answer would be the answer at the question: What will happen first? The final war,or the discovery of the One Piece? If we had the answer to that,we could predict the future of the story better.

The things we may predict are:

-Lodestar doesnt need to happen at all. People are always obsessed with the idea that the SHs must go to Lodestar. But,as far as we know,the SHs dont have any reason to go there. Its the last island,ok,the island where Roger found out that there was more in the world than just that last island,but the Strawhats already know that,so there is no reason to go there,with the infos we have right now. If then in future we will find out some different infos,that another thing

-Oda did set up a reunion with Vivi,as she left the secret message on the newspaper (the X on Luffy's arm) that so far only the Strawhats who dont know about the message saw. But,at the end of the arc probably the other Strawhats will happen to read the newspaper too,so they will understand Vivi's message,and they will probably decide to go take her. But,this doesnt need to take an entire arc,of course. It can happen in just a single chapter "between arcs",or it could be the triggering cause of the next arc,whatever it will be. For example: they go to save Vivi,but during her rescue they meet up with Urouge,who brings them to Lodestar,or somehwere else,and there it starts the next arc

-Another possible cause for the next arc could be the meeting with Shanks. If Loki didnt lie,and he really knows the location of Shanks,he could tell Luffy,and Luffy,as he showed the will to meet with him,could go to meet with him wherever he is,and this could be the cause of the next arc. For example: they go in this place where Shanks is,and there they not only meet him,but Urouge,or Eneru,or Blackbeard,etc.

In conclusion,yes,we already are in the final part of the story. It will be a long final part,both for the number of the chapters,and also because Oda takes many breaks,but we're in the final part. So,after Elbaph,if the last Road Ponyeglyph is already there,we could go directly to Laugh Tale,or could already start the final war against the World Government. We'll see
 
#32
There’s too much to cover. Crossguild hast done anything yet let alone recruited enough people to make them a serious yonko crew, the entire marine faction has to be dealt with with multiple characters there needing developments/conclusions, there’s so much to tap into in regards to Blackbeard and Shanks’ characters, we still have no idea what went down in the void century that’s going to be a whole huge flashback, we have to deal with the ancient weapons, the Noah/fishman island, Laugh Tale, probably even Lodestar, we don’t know the context of Rocky Port, Strawhat dreams, Celestials/Holy Land, Koby, Kuzan, Law, etc. There’s just too many topics unless this will be just one fat arc that spans like 8+ years this cannot be done unless Oda just cuts a bunch of stuff out.
 
#34
Okay, here's something to keep in mind. Oda has said before that:

"I've always pictured what the final chapter of ‘ONE PIECE’ would be like, though from time to time, the situation surrounding it changes. It will still be over whenever the One Piece is found in the series, haha. Anyway, this next arc is the final one. "-Over 100 Miracle Talk Interview.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...Dh-4Xe0riNQZOvhOoDa2b2_euttfOzz6PMAe76MHg/pub
reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/w6cxg8/oda_just_confirmed_story_ends_when_one_piece_is/

(Mind you that's also the same interview that said Oda was aiming to end One Piece in 3 years...back in 2022. But...let's just ignore that for now.)

So, it seems like, in Oda's mind, Laugh Tale (or wherever the One Piece actually is) will be the final arc. The Final War most likely will come before Laugh Tale, not after it.

I know a lot of people want the Final War to be the consequence for the World discovering the World Government's lies. Everyone learning the truth and teaming up to overthrow them. But, that's probably not what the Final War will be.

Chances are, the Final War will more likely be about the World Government trying to keep everyone away from Laugh Tale. The WG trying to make sure no one uncovers whatever huge secret is on this island. Everyone trying to reach Laugh Tale at the same time, and the WG trying to wage a war against everyone on multiple fronts at the same time. Or something along those lines. Something else could happen, but chances are the Final War will not be the final arc, like some people expect. Given what few hints Oda has given us, at least.



As for the Final War arc being next? Well...I think there's actually a pretty good argument that we're already IN the "Final War Arc" right now. At least the opening salvos of it. On this particular battlefield.

The Revolutionaries are already laying siege to Mariejois. Blackbeard has his own plans, whatever they turn out to be. Cross Guild is on the move. Shanks is already trying to claim Laugh Tale for himself. Garling has already secured himself a station of immense power. There's already battles happening all over the World. This IS the Final War (...maybe...*shrugs*)

It's just that I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of it is going to end up getting off-screened. Or we'll learn about things that happened in flashbacks later. Probably in a abbreviated manner. Because that's just how Oda rolls, sometimes. It happened with the Akainu/Aokiji fight. It happened with the end of the Blackbeard/Ace fight. It happened with Blackbeard vs the Revolutionary Army. I just have a hunch that we probably won't see a good portion of the Final War. We'll just see the consequences.



So, if we're already in the Final War, like I suspect. What IS the next arc?

Well, there's a lot of ways Oda could actually go with this.

We need to meet The Man Marked By Flames. Somehow and somewhere. I feel like you could have him show up just about anyplace, though. So, chances are The Man Marked By Flames will be combined with another location.

Whatever island we go to next, it's probably going to be the island that Law was originally headed to, before he got into a fight with Blackbeard. The Strawhats seem to be going to every island that their Wano allies were headed to. But, again...we don't actually know what island Law was headed to. He was ambushed at Winner/Wiener Island, but I don't think anyone ever said that was his final destination. That might have just been on the way. Either way, I could see us...passing by Wiener Island. I don't know if we'll end up stopping there or not. I'm not sure what we'd DO there. Unless Wiener Island is somehow the MOST IMPORTANT PLACE EVER! But, I doubt it.

There is Sphinx, the place where Ace and Whitebeard and buried. It would be nice for Luffy to get a chapter or two to visit Ace's grave. Right before we head off to the quest to get to Laugh Tale. But, again, I feel like you could just say Sphinx is a smaller part of a larger, more important island.

Lodestar seems like the most likely place we'll go next, in my opinion. We know...something important is there. It's where Roger originally learned that the Road Poneglyphs existed. I'm not sure what'd we do there, since we already have most of the important Poneglyphs. But, I COULD see Lodestar being revealed to be the island where Sphinx is located, and the island Law was originally going to visit. And we could meet The Man Marked By Flames sailing around this island, too. Checking off a bunch of boxes all at the same time. Oda doesn't usually combine that many plot points in a single island. But, given his health, I could see him being tempted to combine a bunch of ideas into a single place where we can get a bunch of stuff done.

So, I feel like Lodestar makes the most sense as the next arc. But, there are a few other options worth talking about.

A lot of people think we could go to New Marineford to break Weevil and maybe some others out of jail. Personally, I think that's unlikely. That feels like something Cross Guild might bumble their way into. Gaining a few new members, like Weevil (and maybe even Arlong? Arlong's one of the only major villains we haven't gotten a update on in years.). I could see us learning about Cross Guild "leading a massive prison break" from a newspaper after Elbaph is done or something.

Hachinosu is another possibility. And I personally think it's the second-most likely possibility after Lodestar. It seems likely that the last history-revealing Rio Poneglyph that Robin would need for her collection is likely on Hachinosu. And chances are, we need to save Pudding from Blackbeard (though, she might need to stay with him until Laugh Tale for Blackbeard to have a chance to find the island). And MAYBE follow up with what happened with Moria and Perona. And Garp (though, Luffy would probably be tempted to let the old man have his fun.) The Strawhats versus a entire island of evil pirates would make for a pretty fun arc. The only problem with Hachinosu is...I'm not sure where it's located. I don't know if it's around Wano like the other islands. It feels like it should be closer to the Fishman Island side of the World. I guess if it used to be a prison colony, it WOULD make sense to be almost as far from Mariejois as possible, though. So, maybe it makes sense for Hachinosu to be closer to the Reverse Mountain side of the World than I originally thought? Hachinosu would make for a pretty decent Impel Down parallel, too. Just sayin'.

So, yeah, I think the smart money's on Lodestar. But, if you want to hedge your bets, you can cover the spread with Hachinosu. I wouldn't blame you.



But, one last thing to keep in mind. Oda DOES seem to be trying to escalate things in every arc in this Final Saga. In Egghead, the Strawhat's faced off against ALL of the Gorosei, after years of them not even having names. In Elbaph, they're facing off against most of the Knights of God and Imu themselves (though indirectly). So, whoever the Strawhats are going to fight next, it's probably going to have to be someone who's even more impressive than Imu's "shadow".

So, who's going to be the villain of the next arc? Well...there aren't a lot of options left. If it's not Imu's true form, anyway. We have Koby, Aokiji, Buggy, Akainu, Dragon, Shanks, Garling, Shamrock, and Blackbeard as options, in my opinion. All the people from The Twelve spread in Chapter 1121. Koby did say he was going to try and stop Luffy...but Koby is not arc-antagonist material, in my opinion. Dragon and Akainu are probably too busy with the Siege on Mariejois. Maybe even Shamrock, too. Buggy probably has to make it to the endgame so he probably won't be next.

So, I think the most likely antagonist for the next arc will be...Shanks AND Blackbeard. I think next up, we could get the long-hyped Shanks versus Blackbeard fight. With maybe the Strawhats caught in the middle. Garling and Shamrock could even show up, giving us a little family reunion. Chances are, whatever island they're on is going to get destroyed during the fight. And if the whole "Demon King" thing is going to be a plot point, we could see something happen here. The fight between Shanks and Blackbeard could give birth to a new Demon King, like Tot Musica. Something Imu's possibly been trying to prevent for hundreds of years. I think that could be a possible escalation of things from Elbaph. A new Demon King being born and wrecking havoc on everything.

If you want to know more about my thoughts about how Demon Kings could work, look over at my two posts over here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ncident-was-a-singularity.73794/#post-6378324



So, final bet time.

I'm betting that in the next arc, we're going to Lodestar. We'll visit Ace's grave, we learn a little more lore about the Void Century, and run into The Man Marked By Flames.

Koby shows up to arrest Luffy at Ace's grave. Maybe Koby even got backup from Smoker. They fight. But...

TMMBF will also draw the attention of Shanks and Blackbeard, who both need the final Road Poneglyph that's in his possession. This will spark a massive fight between the two of them, paralleling Luffy and Koby's fight that is happening at the same time.

Meanwhile, the Strawhats have their destined fights with Blackbeard's crew. Koby and Luffy's fight continues, but they both try to interrupt these fights and get in the middle in key moments, giving the Strawhats a little bit of a edge.

Garling and Shamrock both show up to try and stop the fight, and in order to capture Shanks. The Strawhats now end up fighting Shamrock and Garling AND Blackbeard's crew at the same time. Koby and Luffy's fight is STILL going on, only now they're also fighting all these other guys, too.

In the middle of all this, we're going to get flashbacks for Shanks and Blackbeard. Possibly at the same time? Possibly paralleling each other? Basically just filling in some gaps in both of their backstories.

Eventually, a new Demon King is born from all these fights, who attacks EVERYONE. It's raid boss time. Luffy tries to stop the new Demon King with Gear 5, but mostly fails. Resulting in the destruction of Lodestar, setting up what the stakes actually are in the future. This is basically going to be a version of God Valley where everything went even worse. (Yes, Ace's grave gets destroyed, just adding insult to injury.)

Blackbeard either takes control of the new Demon King, or is possessed by the new Demon King. Blackbeard now has a power similar to Imu's. Setting up the next bracket in the tournament. Blackbeard versus Imu is coming. And it's going to be a massive Kaiju fight between two Demon Kings for control of the planet.

Shanks loses the fight with Blackbeard. Resulting in either his death, or losing his other arm, or getting captured by Garling and Shamrock. Or some combination of all of these. Maybe getting another Abyss Mark to regenerate from near death.

But, the Strawhats manage to get away, and maybe even save Pudding from Blackbeard's clutches in the process. Possibly aided in their escape by TMMBF.

...And once they're onboard The Man Marked By Flame's ship, we learn his identity. He's actually...the klaubatermann of the Oro Jackson. Everyone's been chasing after Roger's old ghost ship this entire time. But, that's a theory for another day.

Sound good? Sounds good to me. I'm probably completely wrong about all this. But, I think it'd make for a interesting arc.



Oh, and if you've skipped this mighty wall of text, I'm saying that we're already in the Final War. The Final War started on Elbaph already. Maybe even on Egghead. The Final Saga IS the Final War.
 
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