Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Can any of our resident righties give me a list of left-leaning dictatorships?? These popped up after ten seconds on Google, but I’m having trouble finding any liberal authoritarians. how curious…

Maduro, Lula and Daniel Ortega. Gustavo Petro will soon join this list once Trump proves his ties with narcoterrorism. In Germany, you can't criticize Israel or else you go to jail. How is that for not being authoritarian? Germany's current president is center-left. @Zenos7 What is going on in Germany these days?

It's important to understand one very core principle : Self development is BS: Self development relies on the idea that we can surpass the conditions of existence that shape us the way we are. But changing requires understanding our reality, our environment, our conditions and attack these things. Ex: You want to understand better what it is like to be a woman? Follow more women on social-media.

I must have missed something. What does that have anything to do with what we were talking about?

 

[Zenos7]

You can't see what you do not want to see. That's what confirmation biases are. I see something you don't. And I know this because I was seeing the world, in the past, precisely as you are seeing it right now. I since learned to open the window of possibilities.

Yeah no i dont care about your delusions, stop lying

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In Germany, you can't criticize Israel or else you go to jail. How is that for not being authoritarian? Germany's current president is center-left. @Zenos7 What is going on in Germany these days?

We cant criticize israel? Thats news to me. I know shit is strict around here with stuff like holocaust denial, but im not aware of what you are referring to here.

 

[Uncle Van]

Is it me, or did you just quote a post from ANOTHER THREAD THAT I DIDN'T ENGAGE IN? I didn't say you implied any of that either, son. Reading comprehension, please. I just pointed out toxic things the left is responsible for. Your past statement aimed at Zemmi about leftism is just inaccurate and wrong, my guy. Deal with it. I need to talk about specifics to exemplify how wrong your broad statement was. Exactly, you are judging realities completely different from the American/European environment with your standards, which are VERY wrong, by the way. I missed that you were talking about American history on that one post. I give you that.
Anyway, you still used this approach to talk about non-American subjects in the past. This is obviously biased bullshit. Thanks for clarifying that to everyone. I do have a moral high ground; I'm not siding with people that want to turn my nation (and others) into a huge-ass Cuba. I don't go around clapping my hands whenever someone gets shot either.
"You are so full of hate." You and others here were saying wild shit about that CEO getting shot. Own up to your words. So, yeah, you of all people talking about how others are suffering from confirmation bias is extremely hypocritical. You fail to address your bias yourself. I have learned that you people argue in bad faith. I'm not surprised you are doing any of this.i'm back in here to torment you hahaha

I also won't side with people who love suppressing and eliminating groups of people because of perceived inferiority. Holocaust, slavery, and mass starvation, all caused by right wing ideologies for examples. Almost as if it ain't black n' white.

I said nothing crazy about anyone getting shot though? What did I say about Kirk or Thompson since you spam it so much? You just make assumptions without evidence so that you can feel superior over internet strangers. "I'll be back to torment you" is some fake alpha male cringe.

 

[NAMELESS]

I also won't side with people who love suppressing and eliminating groups of people because of perceived inferiority. Holocaust, slavery, and mass starvation, all caused by right wing ideologies for examples. Almost as if it ain't black n' white.

I said nothing crazy about anyone getting shot though? What did I say about Kirk or Thompson since you spam it so much? You just make assumptions without evidence so that you can feel superior over internet strangers. "I'll be back to torment you" is some fake alpha male cringe.

Care to prove exactly how I feel superior? You are literally pretending you guys are some type of special human being that doesn't suffer from confirmation bias. "Alpha male," lmfao. I detest that stuff.

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Yeah no i dont care about your delusions, stop lying

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We cant criticize israel? Thats news to me. I know shit is strict around here with stuff like holocaust denial, but im not aware of what you are referring to here.

This:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/ger...stinian-voices-draw-growing-criticism/3713695

And this:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-passes-controversial-antisemitism-resolution/a-70715643

 

[Logiko]

You said self development doesn't exist.

Never said that. When are you going to learn to answer without deforming things? I said that self-developement is BS > Bullshit as in "Self development is problematic". The reason being that self-dev takes an individualized and idealist approach to look at reality. Instead of looking at a problem, self development invites us to change to adapt to a problem. It's a bad look at change.

Learning how to walk, talk, run, lift things, read etc.

Yeah, and there is a lot of thing to say about this, but this is too much for this thread for the moment. I don't want to lose people more than they are.

I must have missed something. What does that have anything to do with what we were talking about?

I jumped a step. The link is how we look at change and biases. Most people think they can counter their biases just by learning new things, while it's partially true, this is not enough. Biases are the result of conditionings. A girl raised in a Christian family will hardly not question her faith on her own. To change, change must come from the conditions of existence that create biases. (if she is trans for ex)

Yeah no i dont care about your delusions, stop lying

You are tiring. I'm in a loop with you. You cannot understand that your vision of the world might be inexact and unethical, so we arrive constantly at the same point.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yeah no i dont care about your delusions, stop lying

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We cant criticize israel? Thats news to me. I know shit is strict around here with stuff like holocaust denial, but im not aware of what you are referring to here.

And also this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/german-police-arrest-author-over-144423914.html

Btw, I think that the comparison is unfair and inaccurate, but having the police investigate the guy is nuts.

Never said that. When are you going to learn to answer without deforming things? I said that self-developement is BS > Bullshit as in "Self development is problematic". The reason being that self-dev takes an individualized and idealist approach to look at reality. Instead of looking at a problem, self development invites us to change to adapt to a problem. It's a bad look at change.



Yeah, and there is a lot of thing to say about this, but this is too much for this thread for the moment. I don't want to lose people more than they are.


I jumped a step. The link is how we look at change and biases. Most people think they can counter their biases just by learning new things, while it's partially true, this is not enough. Biases are the result of conditionings. A girl raised in a Christian family will hardly not question her faith on her own. To change, change must come from the conditions of existence that create biases. (if she is trans for ex)


You are tiring. I'm in a loop with you. You cannot understand that your vision of the world might be inexact and unethical, so we arrive constantly at the same point.

Well, this much is obvious. I know the origins of my beliefs.

 

[Logiko]

I know the origins of my beliefs.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Uncle Van]

Care to prove exactly how I feel superior?

Morally superior. By constantly bragging about having better morals and insulting others for having inferior ones. Often assuming their morals of courses.

You are literally pretending you guys are some type of special human being that doesn't suffer from confirmation bias.

Didn't said nor imply that I dont have biases(another assumption from you), but you have to prove that I have conformation bias with historical evidence and by definition.

"Alpha male," lmfao. I detest that stuff.

Then dont use that rhetoric lol

 

[NAMELESS]

Are you sure about that?

Yes, and you?

 

[Logiko]

Yes, and you?

No. That's the point.

 

[NAMELESS]

Morally superior. By constantly bragging about having better morals and insulting others for having inferior ones. Often assuming their morals of courses.



Didn't said nor imply that I dont have biases(another assumption from you), but you have to prove that I have conformation bias with historical evidence and by definition.



Then dont use that rhetoric lol

The comment about "tormenting" was a very mild joke; you're taking it too seriously. Historical facts? Well, I just pointed out a bunch of things that are happening right now in our generation that the left is responsible for in those posts. Now that we are talking about alpha shit, I would even go as far as to say that the red pill movement is also to be blamed on the left. Toxic feminism is the cause of the MGTOW movement. Newton's third law never fails.

 

[Uncle Van]

The comment about "tormenting" was a very mild joke; you're taking it too seriously. Historical facts? Well, I just pointed out a bunch of things that are happening right now in our generation that the left is responsible for in those posts. Now that we are talking about alpha shit, I would even go as far as to say that the red pill movement is also to be blamed on the left. Toxic feminism is the cause of the MGTOW movement. Newton's third law never fails.

None of your posts mean a thing unless you can prove that I believe the left is all sunshine and rainbows. Also need to prove that I support and celebrated the murders of Charlie Kirk and Brian Thompson. Your whole rhetoric against me is based on assumptions without evidence.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

1 second at Google

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@NAMELESS there is no debate with someone like this. Guy deny reality. He is literally telling you can't learn anything. You either born knowing how to read or you never learn by his logic.

Three of those four characteristics are applicable to every single one of the right-wing administrations listed in my post and are just generic guidelines that ALL regimes follow, the latter two examples are basically the same thing, Russia has gone completely conservative over the last century, and Chinese socialism bears little resemblance to the traditional definition since they’re the biggest capitalist economy on the planet…it’s cute that you thought you were making a good point by referencing a couple countries whose dictators have steadily skewed to the right even if they started on the left, you were so close to actually accomplishing something here!!

 

[NAMELESS]

None of your posts mean a thing unless you can prove that I believe the left is all sunshine and rainbows. Also need to prove that I support and celebrated the murders of Charlie Kirk and Brian Thompson. Your whole rhetoric against me is based on assumptions without evidence.

"They only care about information that validates their beliefs." This is what you said. You said "THEY." The only other conservatives in here are Rav and Herrera. Can YOU prove that I believe conservatives do no wrong? If you can't, well... YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITICAL! It wasn't exactly what you said. I don't relly remember what you said, maybe I'm mistaking your for someone else, but i do recall you had a condescending attitude towards the murder of both men. You said something along the lines that you weren't sad about their deaths. To me this sounds extremely cynical.

Three of those four characteristics are applicable to every single one of the right-wing administrations listed in my post and are just generic guidelines that ALL regimes follow, the latter two examples are basically the same thing, Russia has gone completely conservative over the last century, and Chinese socialism bears little resemblance to the traditional definition since they’re the biggest capitalist economy on the planet…it’s cute that you thought you were making a good point by referencing a couple countries whose dictators have steadily skewed to the right even if they started on the left, you were so close to actually accomplishing something here!!

My guy, nowadays there is no textbook capitalism or socialism either. These definitions are obsolete. The Chinese have their own spin on communism, and so does Russia. The point is that many dictatorships were started by people on the left. The "right-wing" dictatorships in Latin America were a reaction to COMMUNIST INSURRECTIONS. Putin just parades as conservative. All these motherfuckers cosplay as honorable men. I have yet to see a con man say he is one.

 

[Uncle Van]

"They only care about information that validates their beliefs." This is what you said. You said "THEY." The only other conservatives in here are Rav and Herrera. Can YOU prove that I believe conservatives do no wrong? If you can't, well... YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITICAL!

Having confirmation bias ≠ believing conservatives can do no wrong. I never said the second half.

You hate the left. You hate them so much that you play whataboutism with any hint of good, and said textbook right wingers like Mussolini Hitler were leftist. You even said Facism, a texbook far right ideology, was somehow a left wing thing. That is evidence to suggest conformation bias.

You on other hand have provided no evidence of me having conformation bias, and assume things I've never said nor implied like celebrating Kirk or Thompson getting popped.

It wasn't exactly what you said. I don't relly remember what you said, maybe I'm mistaking your for someone else, but i do recall you had a condescending attitude towards the murder of both men. You said something along the lines that you weren't sad about their deaths. To me this sounds extremely cynical

Not being surprised or feeling bad that someone got murdered again/being cynical ≠ celebrating deaths. You blatantly lumped me with people who were celebrating, and just claimed I did the same without any evidence.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Van said twice in that post that it is both lmao

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Never happened

in case you missed it, I was making fun of him by saying it's both.
Fine, Even if it's Democrats being a bunch of babies, Because We aren't giving the baby what they want, It's both side. There you happy??!

Bro says a bunch of bullshit, expecting me to think otherwise, I could literally throw his argument right back at him. It's a dumb ass arguement.

 

[NAMELESS]

Having confirmation bias ≠ believing conservatives can do no wrong. I never said the second half.

You hate the left. You hate them so much that you play whataboutism with any hint of good, and said textbook right wingers like Mussolini Hitler were leftist. You even said Facism, a texbook far right ideology, was somehow a left wing thing. That is evidence to suggest conformation bias.

You on other hand have provided no evidence of me having conformation bias, and assume things I've never said nor implied like celebrating Kirk or Thompson getting popped.



Not being surprised or feeling bad that someone got murdered again/being cynical ≠ celebrating deaths. You blatantly lumped me with people who were celebrating, and just claimed I did the same without any evidence.

I did say Hitler was left, but I didn't say the same about Fascism. I did say Mussolini had a left-leaning upbringing and education. What I did say was the leftists of today act like the fascists of yesterday. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point. Who is doing what again, mate?
The whole reason I quoted you is because you said to Zemmi that the left always brings change for the better, which is just an EXTREMELY biased thing to say. You need to ignore the whole history of the past century to say such a thing, and yet here you are saying we are the only ones that say biased things. You are being hypocritical, mate. Sorry, but not sorry. You need to look at yourself in the mirror before pointing fingers.
Yeah, saying such a thing after a bunch of morons made jokes about someone dying makes you look like that. Maybe you should consider not doing that in such situations, mr. moderator.

 

[Uncle Van]

I did say Hitler was left, but I didn't say the same about Fascism. I did say Mussolini had a left-leaning upbringing and education. What I did say was the leftists of today act like the fascists of yesterday. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point. Who is doing what again, mate?
The whole reason I quoted you is because you said to Zemmi that the left always brings change for the better, which is just an EXTREMELY biased thing to say. You need to ignore the whole history of the past century to say such a thing, and yet here you are saying we are the only ones that say biased things. You are being hypocritical, mate. Sorry, but not sorry. You need to look at yourself in the mirror before pointing fingers.
Yeah, saying such a thing after a bunch of morons made jokes about someone dying makes you look like that. Maybe you should consider not doing that in such situations, mr. moderator.

Where is the evidence for conformation bias?

 

[NAMELESS]

Where is the evidence for conformation bias?

"The left always brings changes for the better." Are you blind or just arguing in bad faith again?

 

[Uncle Van]

"The left always brings changes for the better." Are you blind or just arguing in bad faith again?

Where is the evidence for confirmation bias?