Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[Jeanstealer]

Ngl, Kaido getting mogged is understandable, at this point he's just a rookie and in the Queen – King range in all likelihood.

But Linlin has shown at this point the usage not only of all three of her homies, but also ACoC. Like, she obviously grew a decent bit stronger post-GV, but the difference between being nonchalantly booted away by DR Xebec in a 3v1 and supposedly holding up against the same Xebec in a 2v1 – aka what Garp and Roja are probably gonna do – is still rather astounding.

Loda's sexism strikes again and again, tbh. At least she is written decently well in this fb, I suppose.

 

[ZenZu]

A throwaway line about him being Shiki's rival doesn't help his case here — if he gets some good feats then great, otherwise, he's ass.

It's not a throwaway line.

Silver Axe
Golden Lion

To parallel
Scopper Gaban
Silver's Rayleigh

Ontop of them being written having that Zoro/Sanji back and forth petty rivalry in the crew. Silver Axe's entire character, literally his name revolves around this rivalry.

No way can I place Big Mom above him until I see something concrete to dispute it. Shiki should be far clear of BM, he's probably closer to WB than he is Big Mom.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

?

chill with the slur

 

[kekaro]

Whiki Coin holders running to the bank
Shiki haters crashing out harder than crypto bros

 

[HellBlazer04]

I just can't believe anyone can gap Kizaru after him putting in negative effort was enough to solo the Kaidou slayer and take zero damage. I cannot even begin to imagine how strong Kizaru going all out would be. So for now I just simply can't justify it. It's not reasonable.

None of us expected Xebec to be much stronger than Primebeard but Xebec even without DR is stronger than WB.

The way Oda talks about Akainu is a clear indicator of how he will treat Akainu, and it will be even crazier than how oda is treating Xebec this FB. Sure Kizaru is strong from what we saw but unless he fights against a captain/leader type of character in the final war, what we saw will remain the strongest showing which will make what we saw in Egghead his peak.

 

[mly90]

Rayleigh and Gaban are damn so lucky that oda kept them away from Xebec till now....

Better to be on run or sidelined than to get hype tooled by Xebec

The dark king would hold his own same way wb did there is no doubt about that

 

[SakazOuki]

So what is “prime” Big Mom

Depends whats worse
Getting beaten by two hakiless rookies
Or boot diffed by demon Xebec

 

[Levi]

chill with the slur

Is it tho

 

[Konstantis]

When did Xebec talked to Imu about JB, when he was already under Imu's control?

 

[Reborn]

The dark king would hold his own same way wb did there is no doubt about that

WB didn't hold much either

 

[The Legend]

Shiki haters trying to ignore canon again

What canon? A databook? Lol

 

[Zoinks52]

Prime meme is cope bro stop

Playing devil's advocate, I think the only argument left for "prime BM" is her 48 year old version

Since theoretically it combines young BM's speed with old BM's beefiness...or at least balances the stats of both versions.

But at this point we're not likely to see that version of her so....kinda useless outside of speculation.

 

[kekaro]

So what is “prime” Big Mom

A never ending concept only existed in your head but never on page

The ultimate form of potential (wo)man

 

[Sir Yasheen]

how so

he's like two years from his prime at most
and he looks just like his prime self
plus he was shown clashing equally with roger

Yeah but Roger and Whitebeards clash when they’re actually in their prime, and the clash we saw that chapter were basically night and day.

IMO all the characters here grew after god valley

 

[Shiroyru]

It's not a throwaway line.

Silver Axe
Golden Lion

To parallel
Scopper Gaban
Silver's Rayleigh

Ontop of them being written having that Zoro/Sanji back and forth petty rivalry in the crew. Silver Axe's entire character, literally his name revolves around this rivalry.

No way can I place Big Mom above him until I see something concrete to dispute it. Shiki should be far clear of BM, he's probably closer to WB than he is Big Mom.

Silver Axe still nowhere to be seen after the Pinmarco incident

 

[SakazOuki]

?

Don’t mind him he likes to pretend he’s a mod
Effect of medication

 

[MonsterKaido]

Prime meme is cope bro stop

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What canon? A databook? Lol

Chapter 0 is a canon chapter

 

[Paperchampion23]

It's not a throwaway line.

Silver Axe
Golden Lion

To parallel
Scopper Gaban
Silver's Rayleigh

Ontop of them being written having that Zoro/Sanji back and forth petty rivalry in the crew. Silver Axe's entire character, literally his name revolves around this rivalry.

No way can I place Big Mom above him until I see something concrete to dispute it. Shiki should be far clear of BM, he's probably closer to WB than he is Big Mom.

Hopefully that matchup happens next chapter since Shiki needs to lose the treasure anyway and Shanks ends up on the Roger pirates ship

 

[Konstantis]

None of us expected Xebec to be much stronger than Primebeard but Xebec even without DR is stronger than WB.

The way Oda talks about Akainu is a clear indicator of how he will treat Akainu, and it will be even crazier than how oda is treating Xebec this FB. Sure Kizaru is strong from what we saw but unless he fights against a captain/leader type of character in the final war, what we saw will remain the strongest showing which will make what we saw in Egghead his peak.

this is buffed Xebec by Imu.