Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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And @Shiroyru might be on to something, Xebec would have probably be far more of a "villain" if WB wasn't under him, in fact I'm willing to bet his initial plan was to be more of a villain than what we got.
Definitely got those vibes. Might not even got to do with WB, i don't think it's in Oda to consciously make a character grey/bad if he wants it to be likeable.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

Whacky Arm Waving Inflatable Imu-chan
That would be some fucking dramatic irony. After 800 years, IMU gets his hands on an Ancient Weapon and what does it do? Send islands down to his enemy's prison.
If Eris is from Lulusia, Imu blowing it up makes a lot more sense, that's the kind of petty vindictive shit we've seen from Imu so far.

Saturn made it clear to Devon/Augur that Saturn/Gorosei/Imu know Teach is Rocks' son, and a Davy/Davy Jones disciple. Naming his Flagship "Saber of Xebec" probably tipped them off.



Shanks wanted to talk about a certain Pirate: IE, Marshall Davy Teach, the son of Rocks Davy Xebec.



This man actually showed up to the Reverie to rat out the child that escaped his father Garling's genocidal murder spree.

Shanks: "Ayo, tell my Dad he missed one; Rocks' kid is still alive. Tell Imu I want the new Sexbox Three-Dicksy, the Celestial Dragon Game Console with all the Slave Simulator Games. Make sure 'Hunt me Harder, Mihawk' is one of the games, okay? Yooooo, byeeeee"

Warcury: "These freaking horny pirates, man. Not like our innocent little angel, St. Charlos."

Like, all joking aside, Shanks telling the Gorosei Teach is a Davy and Rocks' son is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IRONICALLY HILARIOUS, ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME/!??!?!?!
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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That ship already sailed when it was shown Teach follows the will of Davy Jones/Xebec, not Joyboy/Roger :kayneshrug:

B-but please do continue. You being against it makes it even more right with your track record :suresure:
That’s precisely why it won’t be Teach, because only Joyboy can stop Imu. It’s specifically why Teach isn’t the one who can shoulder centuries of history —> take on the world government.

he’s out to pasture very soon.
 
Am I missing smtg. Why are admiral and shiki fans celebrating like they won?

Have they forgotten an admiral got offscreen hypetooled by rookie Xebec and DIED to injuries sustained despite treatment? :milaugh:

Meanwhile BM and Kaido survive the encounter against Domi prime Xebec (at least 100x stronger than rookie Xebec) without any scars. On top of being nowhere near their prime. Even Primebeard got low-diffed here

Oda clearly outlining the diff between prime admirals and rookie yonkos with the way he puts em against Xebec

This the best exit that any god valley pirate could take, losing only to a demi-god tier as rookies. Nothing less for Waido and Winmum :steef:@park_min young @MonsterKaido @Philosoraptor @The DevilMaster @mly90 @Hanzo hattori @Jokerr @Jyg-Lyg @Levi @Blahmigooo @Blazing Lion @Shimotsuki Fenaker
 

Bogard

You can't win
Am I missing smtg. Why are admiral and shiki fans celebrating like they won?

Have they forgotten an admiral got offscreen hypetooled by rookie Xebec and DIED to injuries sustained despite treatment? :milaugh:

Meanwhile BM and Kaido survive the encounter against Domi prime Xebec (at least 100x stronger than rookie Xebec) without any scars. On top of being nowhere near their prime. Even Primebeard got low-diffed here

Oda clearly outlining the diff between prime admirals and rookie yonkos with the way he puts em against Xebec

This the best exit that any god valley pirate could take, losing only to a demi-god tier as rookies. Nothing less for Waido and Winmum :steef:@park_min young @MonsterKaido @Philosoraptor @The DevilMaster @mly90 @Hanzo hattori @Jokerr @Jyg-Lyg @Levi @Blahmigooo @Blazing Lion @Shimotsuki Fenaker
Big Mom is close in age to Whitebeard. At least Kaido has an excuse of getting neg diffed(it was expected), but Big Mom doesn't :kayneshrug:
 
It’s spelled out in the manga for you, dw
Wow, a guy who was backstabbed by the man he took in and was killed by him *doesn't* think highly of him?!

And then here's this flashback that showed he's the possible descendent of the last King of the Great Kingdom and his father wanted to conquer the world instead of being pirate king.

Like, you read Naruto. You of all people should know about destiny and fate.
 
btw from magazines Prime Whitebeard hit his prime at 38 years old, here he is 36 (so only 2 years off from his peak)

There’s a good chance Garp and Roger are already both prime since they’ve been portrayed as bigger deals than WB here consistently @ZenZu @Kurozumi Wiwi
None of them are in their prime, when they don't even have their monikers.

Imagine Shanks being in his prime before he's called "Red Hair", or Blackbeard when he's still called "Teach".
 
Yes....because now we know he is aiming to be World King.

But again, if someone read the flashback up until now and thinks Teach isn't important to the very end of the story, then they can't read.
And yet hes still out there collecting Road Poneglyphs.

Is Luffy going to become Pirate King without competition? Ambition to be the Worlds King doesnt change the fact that he needs to be Pirate King to do that. There is a still a fundamental order on how this has to be done, otherwise theres no point in Imu giving a shit someone finds One Piece and the Void Century.

There is a reason Roger gives up and why Luffy has a secret dream after becoming Pirate King.
 
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