Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[comrade]

Admiral jiaga was so irrelevant he was used as a hypetool for civilian Xebec

Based on what though. How much time passed between the reverie and god valley? Xebec already looked like a middle aged man having gathered several future great pirates under him and pulling off feats like destroying the gate of justice. How was he rookie and civilian.

 

[sanjikun]

Nah. This WB clash is even more insane than the one with Roger.

The only reason people were coping about non primes for characters besides Kaido and BM was the unimpressive lack of DC but that just went out the window

It's not a cope, Oda outright told us 16 times.

 

[Vergil]

LIke i said Oda just hates women, that would never happen to Shiki

 

[MonsterZoro]

so luffy can solo his whole crew?

 

[Jeanstealer]

btw from magazines Prime Whitebeard hit his prime at 38 years old, here he is 36 (so only 2 years off from his peak)

There’s a good chance Garp and Roger are already both prime since they’ve been portrayed as bigger deals than WB here consistently @ZenZu @Kurozumi Wiwi

Garp had yet to train his fists to perfection while prepping for Whinjao though.

Though I don't think it made THAT much of a difference, tbh.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

We can't claim Roger and WB are far from their prime because an irrelevant background clash didn't look impressive but then act like Rocks and WB destroying mountains with their clash a few chapters later don't matter lol

Did we ever even see WB use a DF + ACOC attack on Roger?

https://x.com/worstgenhq/status/1983188966577934798?s=46

Based on this clash with Rocks I would think WB was holding back against him lmao @sanjikun

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Because we don’t know what Joyboy’s will is?

Davy Clan Will is that they think, they have right to rule the World

Xebec thinks Davy was a King of the World and is following his will
(Translation might clear this up)

This might just be Xebec's interpretation of what the will of Davy was

 

[Shyneseru]

It's still Harald's flashback Goodbye Xebec... Now waiting for Shanks flashback next month

Can’t wait for Mihawk vs Shanks in Mariejoie

 

[MonsterZoro]

so why whtie beard just leave?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It's not a cope, Oda outright told us 16 times.

They’re both older than Shanks

Oda is old as hell, he probably thinks a 40 year old is young

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

It's still Harald's flashback Goodbye Xebec... Now waiting for Shanks flashback next month

Because Harald's gonna show up on God Valley, and kill his buddy Rocks, then rip his horns out after realizing the World Government is run by literally Satan.

 

[Ven437]

Based on what though. How much time passed between the reverie and god valley? Xebec already looked like a middle aged man having gathered several future great pirates under him and pulling off feats like destroying the gate of justice. How was he rookie and civilian.

Rocks was at reverie 56 yrs ago and god valley 38 yrs ago

That's 18 yrs worth of time difference. Theres zero chance he didnt get significantly stronger esp recruiting several famous pirates of the era

 

[SDfear]

The Will of D is likely connected to Davy and his kingdom, not Joyboy.

Joyboy also has his own Will

D is either Dawn or Dusk, maybe even a symbol of Half Moon people

But we did find out Will of Davy not Joyboy’s
It that's even his true Will
Xebec only thinks that's the case

 

[MonsterKaido]

Am I missing smtg. Why are admiral and shiki fans celebrating like they won?

Have they forgotten an admiral got offscreen hypetooled by rookie Xebec and DIED to injuries sustained despite treatment?

Meanwhile BM and Kaido survive the encounter against Domi prime Xebec (at least 100x stronger than rookie Xebec) without any scars. On top of being nowhere near their prime. Even Primebeard got low-diffed here

Oda clearly outlining the diff between prime admirals and rookie yonkos with the way he puts em against Xebec

This the best exit that any god valley pirate could take, losing only to a demi-god tier as rookies. Nothing less for Waido and Winmum @park_min young @MonsterKaido @Philosoraptor @The DevilMaster @mly90 @Hanzo hattori @Jokerr @Jyg-Lyg @Levi @Blahmigooo @Blazing Lion @Shimotsuki Fenaker

Oda have rookie waido and pre prime BM above admirals. Admiral fans can't accept this fact and are making their own happiness

 

[Paperchampion23]

Why are you reading it like this isn’t Oda speaking to the readers. He’s telling us the future here, it’s called foreshadowing.

There will be a Great War the government fears, where someone Roger is waiting for will shoulder the centuries of history & challenge “the world”.

Teach is confirmed to not be the one to shoulder the centuries of history, so he won’t be the one to take Imu down.

Likewise WB says that the One Piece will flip the world upside down so that probably happens before a world war.

There’s no room for Teach to wiggle in here when his recent moves have been aggressively heading for the One Piece.

I feel like people expect Blackbeard to win for some reason lol. Rocks is a narrative tool to allow Teach to become aware of Imu (either through Eris or something else), so that his ambition beyond conquering the sea is higher than someone like Kaido or Big Mom.

He still needs (and is actively looking for) One Piece and Ancient Weapons. As made clear by Whitebeard's death speech and Roger in Oden's Flashback, you need to conquer the seas (i.e. Get One Piece and learn about Imu/Void Century) in order to topple the World Government.

Blackbeard isnt doing this, because Luffy is doing it lol, its his story.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Rocks was at reverie 56 yrs ago and god valley 38 yrs ago

That's 18 yrs worth of time difference. Theres zero chance he didnt get significantly stronger esp recruiting several famous pirates of the era

Then why was he always shown relative to Harald who barely aged and explicitly had given up fighting?

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

They’re both older than Shanks

Oda is old as hell, he probably thinks a 40 year old is young

Oda literally called Ryokugyu the "young admiral" in a usopp gallery comment and he's in his forties (and everyone agree he's in his prime).

 

[comrade]

Rocks was at reverie 56 yrs ago and god valley 38 yrs ago

That's 18 yrs worth of time difference. Theres zero chance he didnt get significantly stronger esp recruiting several famous pirates of the era

My bad. Nowadays I mostly skip through chapters.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

Father Kuma is Our Savior. ♰
Preach.

 

[park_min young]

Based on what though. How much time passed between the reverie and god valley? Xebec already looked like a middle aged man having gathered several future great pirates under him and pulling off feats like destroying the gate of justice. How was he rookie and civilian.

It’s been a solid 18 years LOL. Xebec is most likely around the same age as Roger and Garp, not some middle aged relic. A middle aged man in One Piece is depicted as wrinkly most of the time.

On God Valley, Xebec would be around 40 while Roger is 39, mirroring the Shanks and Teach dynamic.