Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[omegalul]

WB already seem to have impressive feat against domi amped xebec + Kaido and BM were much weaker than their prime versions.

wb is rogers equal, he is > meme/crydo so its expected ofc

anyway that was probably a one handed swing from xebec, other hand was probably neg diffing kaido. Still impressive from a young wb.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The PK title is the fame; the ability to unite the entire pirate population against the tyrant WG.

But you don't need to wage war on the WG itself if you only want to usurp IMU, and can find a way to backstab him with all the teleporting and doppleganging DFs you're ammassing.

Bro he was annihilated last chapter and still came back lol. You have to circumvent the immortality and you have to circumvent his obviously broken power to control you, among anything else he actually does like give others immortal strength. What makes you think Blackbeard has any means of doing this without One Piece? We dont even know if Imu even has a devil fruit lol, so theres no reason we can assume Yami will do shit.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

There’s really no way to rationalize Shiki as anything more than a bronze medalist.

He wasn’t a yonko, he wasn’t PK, his best feats involve ganging up on the Roger pirates at sea with an entire fleet, and losing to Garp and Sengoku.

He retired before yonko ever existed, Roger was the sole PK and Shiki didn’t care for the OP, and his best feat involves fighting the pirate king himself to a draw

Dude clears any yonko but prime Whitebeard

 

[Blahmigooo]

What I bring up is big mom and Kaido admitting their inferiority to Whitebeard and Roger because they know they’re not on that level. And WB got that title after Shiki retired from piracy

And WB himself said no one talks about the era before the great pirate era except the old marines and pirates.

They admit inferiority only to Roger and WB.
That doesn't translate to Shiki rivals Roger at some point and does by default Kaido BM also admit inferiority to Shiki.

The story has always been trying to put Roger WB as the top, even other top tiers giving respect to them.
Shiki isn't glaze by anyone of them, he's a silver medalist too, admit getting stopped by Roger or unable to topple Roger and told WB it's his era after Roger's gone. Every Yonko could rival Roger WB like Shiki but winning?? Tbd

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Losing 2v1 to prime Garp and Sengoku isn't a bad thing

Sure

but imo it’s hardly worthy of being hyped above any yonko

especially when Shiki has no real feats or portrayal to say otherwise

 

[moreha9685]

Bro he was annihilated last chapter and still came back lol. You have to circumvent the immortality and you have to circumvent his obviously broken power to control you, among anything else he actually does like give others immortal strength. What makes you think Blackbeard has any means of doing this without One Piece? We dont even know if Imu even has a devil fruit lol, so theres no reason we can assume Yami will do shit.

Because in his very first fight, BB says that his DF can nullify any devil.

 

[sanjikun]

Shiki was really meant to be the 4th Yonko, but he picked a fight with the wrong people.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

That ties into the Man Marked By Flame's plotline, whom Shiryu thought could be working for the WG. But his black ship sure won't hide in MJ.

We don’t fully know for sure, but with everything Oda has given to Teach in the last 100 chapters, it’s likely to be another advantage for his bid to be Pk

 

[comrade]

I'd say the diff between WB then and PK era WB is like the diff between MF Blackbeard and current Blackbeard.

Imagine Roger being Xebec's subordinate.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They admit inferiority only to Roger and WB.
That doesn't translate to Shiki rivals Roger at some point and does by default Kaido BM slso admit inferiority to Shiki.

The story has always been trying to put Roger WB as the top, even other top tiers giving respect to them.
Shiki isn't glaze by any one of them, he's a silver medalist too, admit getting stopped by Roger or unable to topple Roger and told WB it's his era after Roger's gone. Every Yonko could rival Roger WB like Shiki but winning?? Tbd

That 100% translates to someone who’s equal to WB and Roger? That’s kinda the point of being equal?

 

[Definitivo]

NEVER COMPARE SHANKS WITH THESE TWO USELESS!

 

[MonsterKaido]

wb is rogers equal, he is > meme/crydo so its expected ofc

anyway that was probably a one handed swing from xebec, other hand was probably neg diffing kaido. Still impressive from a young wb.

It really means nothing for waido or BM though. Waido is rookie and way weaker compared to prime self. I really hoped oda would give us a more clear picture of how strong xebec was but now its would be harder given he is amped by domi reversi.

 

[OPKnK]

That's exactly what I mean when I say he's like a dog following his master. Exactly like how SHs act like dogs for Luffy.


Because they became friends and WB had no evil intentions of world dominance.

Once again, you misunderstand.
This is not about his strength and power. It's about the fact that he acts like a sheep and not like a true leader

I just don't see being loyal as being a dog .
Rocks did not order him like a dog to stay and fight .
Being true leader is making choices for your self and WB choses to stay there and put his life on the line with rocks.
If anything pre time skip WB was more relax as leader .
Since he did not go after BB and let ace do want he wanted which end up with both of them dying .

 

[MonsterKaido]

NEVER COMPARE SHANKS WITH THESE TWO USELESS!

 

[Paperchampion23]

Because in his very first fight, BB says that his DF can nullify any devil.

Again, you are applying rules to Imu who has broken every threshold in this series lol.

- Is Immortal
- Gifts immortality and devil powers to others
- Controls people
- Can create objects similar to Nika

And has literally shown zero limit to doing any of the above even after being jumped by the world's strongest characters together.

 

[sanjikun]

Imagine Roger being Xebec's subordinate.

It's almost like they're not all the same age.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I'd say the diff between WB then and PK era WB is like the diff between MF Blackbeard and current Blackbeard.

That's too far

WB still has years of experience with his fruit and advanced haki at that point in his life

 

[Redditworstgencancer]

NEVER COMPARE SHANKS WITH THESE TWO USELESS!

You mean the rat, that waited for Kaido‘s and BM downfall to start his move?

You think throwing Kaido into a mountain is impressive, when Kaido literally sky jumps without any damage to him lol

 

[Dragon777]

I'd say the diff between WB then and PK era WB is like the diff between MF Blackbeard and current Blackbeard.

WB had both Gura Gura and AdvCoC.

He was entry level top tier at the bare minimum.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Shiki was really meant to be the 4th Yonko, but he picked a fight with the wrong people.

Dragon pulling up to Edd War to send a Hurricane to fuck up Shiki's Fleet to save the Celestial Dragon Baby he saved on God Valley, who ended up on Gol D. Roger's Crew like:

"Is this where East is?"

This man sunk Shiki's freaking fleet at the age of 28. Random storm my ass.

This mother fucker has had the greatest Naval-battle feat in the manga, and has been hiding it forever.