Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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These are Kuzan's training sessions under Garp. Prime Kuzan is not taking boxing lessons from Garp.
Bro, the entire point of the scene is they went from Kuzan looking up to Garp as his teacher, to them punching the ship like actual friends, with Garp complaining to Kuzan about his family problems, and Kuzan getting a position over Garp, making him busy and lastly them actually fighting and clashing with eachother.
 
I mean, is only natural that xebec beat kaido and big mom, they were practically kids back them, but xebec was the real pirate king back then.

now against prime roger and garp, is hard to fight against those 2, even if they were not prime.
 
kizaru new voice actor is doing a great job trying to emulate the og but sengoku new isn't as talented
Same with retired Franky va he was so unique it's impossible to replace him now every time you watch the anime you don't recognize franky anymore:josad:
If Akainu loses his VA he’s finished feed him to Sabo
Because those AoE tricks only work on fodder. Deadbeard was just mildly annoyed when Kuzan froze him.
AoE "tricks" that led to Akainu getting frostbite
This is not an "AoE trick", its putting your opponent under extreme conditions where its hard for him to survive, and easier for you to freeze him. If we didn't know about that 10 day fight I wouldn't be saying this
Even the stoic Zoro who tortures himself and swims in frozen lakes was turning into an ice popsicle by the aftermath of Aokiji using his powers. Now add to that Aokiji actively freezing him lol
 

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The only one who can beat me is me
No devil fruit for Kuzan, no blade for Mihawk. Can Mihawk even survive this fight at all?

Wild times we are at where the haki specialist is losing to a df merchant without his df. Oda really popped off if you think about it. I still think it's unfair to Garp.
 
That was like 22 years ago.
And wasn't even the last.

And btw, by that time, Kuzan still hadn't reached Garp, has been VA for years and was ~30 old. And still hadn't reached him.

The training clearly went on until Kuzan was in his prime. Since when he was 30, he was still doing It and still wasn't at his peak.
 
Bro, the entire point of the scene is they went from Kuzan looking up to Garp as his teacher, to them punching the ship like actual friends, with Garp complaining to Kuzan about his family problems, and Kuzan getting a position over Garp, making him busy and lastly them actually fighting and clashing with eachother.
The whole point is Garp teaching him how to box and destroy battleships. That doesn't mean they're 100% on par in terms of physical strength.
 
You are unintentionally upscaling Kuzan. Kuzan adapted a prime Garp's punching power as a side hustle while also having one of the most powerful logia powers, awakened that is.
Garp was teaching young Kuzan how to destroy battleships. It's really not that deep. Set the agenda aside for a second.

no, Oda did not make the entire flashback with the intent so show that Kuzan learned boxing, lol.
Oda made the flashback to show Garp was Kuzan's teacher.
 
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