Itachi packs up a sannin in 5 secs and Minato can't stop an emotionally messed up brat.
Bro ends up dying
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Minato sent him home anyway, so I don't see the problem tho....
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This is why I think Tobi being Obtio the whole time was retarded. At the very least, Madara should have been the masked man who attacked Konoha, before giving his mask to Obito or some shit. Dude controlled the nine tails, clashed with the Hokage, and was torturing Kushina talking about how long he was waiting to do this, and it's entirely possible Obito didn't even know what sex was while doing all this.
Minato sent him home anyway, so I don't see the problem tho....
Minato sent him home anyway, so I don't see the problem tho....
You guys arguments basically boil down to "Kuzan can't be this strong... because he can't!" because you want to believe Kuzan showed his full strenght on Hachinosu for x reason, which I guess is agenda related.
There's literally zero reason to show Kuzan's punch going from sounding nothing alike when he was a weak trainee to matching that of Garp's after years of training aside fom suggesting that the apprentice finally reached the level of his mentor at the some point. Reminder that training with battleship bag is how Oda's emphasized Koby's growing enough to perform Honesty Imapact yet Oda wasn't trying to say anything through this scene with Kuzan and Garp ? I don't know, for me that's the stupidy. Or extreme bad faith.
There's literally zero reason to show Kuzan's punch going from sounding nothing alike when he was a weak trainee to matching that of Garp's after years of training aside fom suggesting that the apprentice finally reached the level of his mentor at the some point. Reminder that training with battleship bag is how Oda's emphasized Koby's growing enough to perform Honesty Imapact yet Oda wasn't trying to say anything through this scene with Kuzan and Garp ? I don't know, for me that's the stupidy. Or extreme bad faith.
It's not about that, it's the fact that Oda gave him retarded durability (the best among Admirals) ontop of the fact that even Snakeman (which is supposed to be so hard to react to that even top tiers like Kaidou can't even perceive its attacks, this move was intended to counter FS ffs) ONTOP of FS stack (a mode built to counter speed), is still statued by Kizaru. How tf is he so easily reacting to Snakeman + FS? Makes no sense.
And by the way did I mention Kizaru has access to a dura negging light saber, best flight in the verse, best range in the verse, and if he wants the best DC too? I don't even need Kizaru to have awakening, if he just fights semi seriously it's not even logical for any character to be able to solve him. Oda went too far. I gave an example of OPM, he is the flashy flash of this verse with Darkshine lvl durability. You can't give the fastest character also durability specialization. Kizaru effectively has no weaknesses and only strengths. If he were a video game character in the verse they would have to ban his use.
What Oda did on Egghead was basically what Togashi did with Meruem, when an author knows he won't have to have a character defeated by the good guys, he just starts writing retarded shit with no limits.
And by the way did I mention Kizaru has access to a dura negging light saber, best flight in the verse, best range in the verse, and if he wants the best DC too? I don't even need Kizaru to have awakening, if he just fights semi seriously it's not even logical for any character to be able to solve him. Oda went too far. I gave an example of OPM, he is the flashy flash of this verse with Darkshine lvl durability. You can't give the fastest character also durability specialization. Kizaru effectively has no weaknesses and only strengths. If he were a video game character in the verse they would have to ban his use.
What Oda did on Egghead was basically what Togashi did with Meruem, when an author knows he won't have to have a character defeated by the good guys, he just starts writing retarded shit with no limits.
Nah because Garp entire fighting style revolves around brawling.
It's symbolic, even though battleship bags is with haki off Oda still used Koby training on it to emphasize him being able to perform Honesty Impact, an attack that makes use of haki.
Kuzan as a whole (so with fruit) is basically current gen Garp while Koby will be future gen Garp.
It's symbolic, even though battleship bags is with haki off Oda still used Koby training on it to emphasize him being able to perform Honesty Impact, an attack that makes use of haki.
Kuzan as a whole (so with fruit) is basically current gen Garp while Koby will be future gen Garp.
Like how do I even make an argument for Kuzan to push Kizaru to high diff? Both were mentally nerfed, Kuzan looked homeless getting blitzed left and right, while Kizaru even while nerfed seemed like a demi god.
Now obviously none of this matters to Oda he will somehow try to gaslight us into it being a close fight because C3. But that's precisely why we will never see an all out Kizaru.
Think about it, Luffy was using his Nika fruit and his top tier haki, Kizaru wasn't even mentally in it, actually secretly hoping Luffy stops him. There are 3 more gears for Kizaru to reach.
1.Not nerfing himself on purpose
2.Going all out
3.Potential awakening
He didn't even do #1 on the list and embarrassed Luffy who had no idea Kizaru was nerfing himself to oblivion. And now you want me to believe he will be awakened on top of that? That's too much, at this point Oda needs to make awakening exclusive to Aokiji (and Akainu). I think he will leave it ambiguous with Kizaru, while those two will show it.
Now obviously none of this matters to Oda he will somehow try to gaslight us into it being a close fight because C3. But that's precisely why we will never see an all out Kizaru.
Think about it, Luffy was using his Nika fruit and his top tier haki, Kizaru wasn't even mentally in it, actually secretly hoping Luffy stops him. There are 3 more gears for Kizaru to reach.
1.Not nerfing himself on purpose
2.Going all out
3.Potential awakening
He didn't even do #1 on the list and embarrassed Luffy who had no idea Kizaru was nerfing himself to oblivion. And now you want me to believe he will be awakened on top of that? That's too much, at this point Oda needs to make awakening exclusive to Aokiji (and Akainu). I think he will leave it ambiguous with Kizaru, while those two will show it.
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