Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Royal Kick]

Imo DJ was caused by the drug Sora ingested. We already know it wasn't caused by Judge's genetic alterations and I very much doubt it's just the product of Sanji's strong emotions. Queen is a highly competent scientist, so I'm inclined to believe him when he says humans can't just burst into flames for no reason, there has to be more to it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Imo DJ was caused by the drug Sora ingested. We already know it wasn't caused by Judge's genetic alterations and I very much doubt it's just the product of Sanji's strong emotions. Queen is a highly competent scientist, so I'm inclined to believe him when he says humans can't just burst into flames for no reason, there has to be more to it.

IMO the drug does took did nothing. However the act of being willing to sacrifice herself for her kids is what kept Sanji human. It’s like the scientists said, no drug can rewrite the blueprints of the human body.

The act of unselfish love sora showed is what created such a miracle. And whatever it is that allowed soras love to perform a miracle (PoL) is the origin of DJ and Sanjis ability to deactivate the exoskeleton where his siblings can’t.

 

[RayanOO]

The act of unselfish love sora showed is what created such a miracle.

 

[Raiden7]

I don't think it would have been that big of a change. Is being able to turn invisible by projecting the background on yourself that game changing? It is not like the Suke Suke no mi, this kind of invisibility should be ineffective against any good CoO user. The exoskeleton and the stat boosts he received on Onigashima are basically identical to the RS ones: sturdier and fire resistant body, greater strength behind his kicks. The cape use as a shield is so situational it wouldn't have changed much imo.

I'm also a fan of the RS design and, for those who aren't, let's not forget Sanji wanted to ask Franky and Usopp to modify its design. The idea of a suit-like RS 2.0 with the stylish gloves he wore on Onigashima as canister would have worked great.

I believe he went for the exoskeleton path to make everything simpler and distinguish Sanji from Franky the tech dude. The fact the transformation started the moment he wore the RS for the third time is extremely random, I still hope it has something to do with King AND the RS. Sanji having some lunarian blood due to Sora's drug could explain the fire and the timing of his lineage factor modification flaring up, especially with the RS acting as a catalyst

I meant it differently, probably I explained myself in some bad way or I forgot to add more context. I meant that if Sanji started to use the Raid Suit it would have changed a lot of Sanji fighting style because I consider it as a weapon. So it would be like Sanji begin to utilize weapons in the last part of the manga. It would have been a huge radical change. I view the raid suit as a "weapon", because it's something external to Sanji that he would have used in fights and outside of fights. I would compare it like if Luffy start to use brass knuckles in the last part of the manga, it would be too much for me.

 

[Royal Kick]

IMO the drug does took did nothing. However the act of being willing to sacrifice herself for her kids is what kept Sanji human. It’s like the scientists said, no drug can rewrite the blueprints of the human body.

The act of unselfish love sora showed is what created such a miracle. And whatever it is that allowed soras love to perform a miracle (PoL) is the origin of DJ and Sanjis ability to deactivate the exoskeleton where his siblings can’t.

But why would Sora's unconditional love for her children result in Sanji being able to use fire? It feels kinda random, not to mention it wouldn't explain why that love only affected Sanji. And if the drug did nothing at all, it means Sora died for nothing. It makes more sense that her dying was the price to pay to protect Sanji, I don't think Oda would make her sacrifice completely pointless.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

But why would Sora's unconditional love for her children result in Sanji being able to use fire? It feels kinda random, not to mention it wouldn't explain why that love only affected Sanji. And if the drug did nothing at all, it means Sora died for nothing. It makes more sense that her dying was the price to pay to protect Sanji, I don't think Oda would make her sacrifice completely pointless.

Because Sanjis fire is born from his emotions as well, they are born from passion and Sanji amplifies them with his rage at times. Sanjis powers are counter to science, as such his powers cannot come from science.

And to me if the drug did nothing it means more to sora. It means that soras love alone was able to save one of her children rather than her just being a victim of a medicine. Soras love saving Sanji is way more impactful and in line with Sanjis character than a scientifically created drug saving him. And it makes soras sacrifice even more impactful to me, it means the sacrifice meant more than anything and makes it even more important.

 

[Royal Kick]

Because Sanjis fire is born from his emotions as well, they are born from passion and Sanji amplifies them with his rage at times. Sanjis powers are counter to science, as such his powers cannot come from science.

And to me if the drug did nothing it means more to sora. It means that soras love alone was able to save one of her children rather than her just being a victim of a medicine. Soras love saving Sanji is way more impactful and in line with Sanjis character than a scientifically created drug saving him. And it makes soras sacrifice even more impactful to me, it means the sacrifice meant more than anything and makes it even more important.

Even if the drug had an effect on him, it'd still be ultimately Sora's love that saved Sanji, since she sacrificed her own life by ingesting the drug out of love for her children.

I'm curious about what you mean specifically, do you think the drug worked as a placebo and it's the fact she believed it'd work that allowed her love to affect Sanji? Or the drug had absolutely no bearing at all, not even on Sora's mind and belief? Because the former theory is interesting and I can understand if that's what you mean.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Even if the drug had an effect on him, it'd still be ultimately Sora's love that saved Sanji, since she sacrificed her own life by ingesting the drug out of love for her children.

I'm curious about what you mean specifically, do you think the drug worked as a placebo and it's the fact she believed it'd work that allowed her love to affect Sanji? Or the drug had absolutely no bearing at all, not even on Sora's mind and belief? Because the former theory is interesting and I can understand if that's what you mean.

But it wouldn’t be, Sanji would permanently be someone who was given his abilities and freedom by Science. Which is something Sanji has rejected his whole life and when he destroyed the Raid Suit confirmed he’d rather die than become a warrior of science.

I think the drug was ineffective. I think Sora believed that it would undo the changes Judge made, but seeing that Ichiji Niji and Yonji were born as monsters it failed. But Soras love for her children was powerful enough to stop the transformation in one of them, Sanji. Just like Sanji is able to constantly undo and activate the transformation in modern day. Sora believed the drug would work but that it would cost her her life and she took it anyways. That act of being willing to sacrifice herself is why Sanjis different and why Sanji has access to DJ/IJ/PoL not a science based drug.

 

[Jackteo]

I meant it differently, probably I explained myself in some bad way or I forgot to add more context. I meant that if Sanji started to use the Raid Suit it would have changed a lot of Sanji fighting style because I consider it as a weapon. So it would be like Sanji begin to utilize weapons in the last part of the manga. It would have been a huge radical change. I view the raid suit as a "weapon", because it's something external to Sanji that he would have used in fights and outside of fights. I would compare it like if Luffy start to use brass knuckles in the last part of the manga, it would be too much for me.

I wouldn't mind even if Sanji started using guns but I get what you are saying. Is the exoskeleton that different though? In some sense it is a weapon too

 

[kekaro]

I think some people misunderstand Sanji not using hands.
So first off Sanji not using his hands is not self vow/drilled him by Zeff as a Role model. Sanji doesnt use his hands because he is a cook and cooking bring him joy and he doesnt want to injure them. Like there is no "clause" to this that sanji is not using weapons, he just doenst use his hands in harms way to not injure them and most waepons are used well, with your hands.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I think some people misunderstand Sanji not using hands.
So first off Sanji not using his hands is not self vow/drilled him by Zeff as a Role model. Sanji doesnt use his hands because he is a cook and cooking bring him joy and he doesnt want to injure them. Like there is no "clause" to this that sanji is not using weapons, he just doenst use his hands in harms way to not injure them and most waepons are used well, with your hands.

That unfortunately got retconned in WCI where it’s now a vow he made (here’s the quote to Judge):

“My hands exist to cook! As long as I’m not turning you into food I will not be using my hands at all.”

Sanji won’t use his hands for anything but cooking now

 

[Juanpiz]

That unfortunately got retconned in WCI where it’s now a vow he made (here’s the quote to Judge):

“My hands exist to cook! As long as I’m not turning you into food I will not be using my hands at all.”

Sanji won’t use his hands for anything but cooking now

Not Even writing or Pointing at things

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Not Even writing or Pointing at things

Not even to satisfy a woman

 

[kekaro]

That unfortunately got retconned in WCI where it’s now a vow he made (here’s the quote to Judge):

“My hands exist to cook! As long as I’m not turning you into food I will not be using my hands at all.”

Sanji won’t use his hands for anything but cooking now

I dont see that as a retcon unless im missing how its conflicting with the statment

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I dont see that as a retcon unless im missing how its conflicting with the statment

It means Sanji doesn’t use his hands because he’s vowed to only use them for cooking. It’s not to protect them

 

[Raiden7]

I wouldn't mind even if Sanji started using guns but I get what you are saying. Is the exoskeleton that different though? In some sense it is a weapon too

I would see the exoskeleton as a temporary power up like diable jambe but that increase defense. I don't see it as an external tool like a weapon.

 

[kekaro]

It means Sanji doesn’t use his hands because he’s vowed to only use them for cooking. It’s not to protect them

Huh? I guess its language/interpretation thing, for me Sanji saying his hands are to cook is not different than him saying i will not use my hands because they could get injured by fighting and prevent him from cooking.
I think oda just phrased it that way because it obviously flows way better

 

[Raiden7]

I think some people misunderstand Sanji not using hands.
So first off Sanji not using his hands is not self vow/drilled him by Zeff as a Role model. Sanji doesnt use his hands because he is a cook and cooking bring him joy and he doesnt want to injure them. Like there is no "clause" to this that sanji is not using weapons, he just doenst use his hands in harms way to not injure them and most waepons are used well, with your hands.

Yes he can use weapons, like he did with the knifes. It's ok if it is a one or two time thing. But His fighting style is cemented from the beginning, I don't think it should change drastically like that.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Huh? I guess its language/interpretation thing, for me Sanji saying his hands are to cook is not different than him saying i will not use my hands because they could get injured by fighting and prevent him from cooking.
I think oda just phrased it that way because it obviously flows way better

I feel like it was to protect his hands he’d phrase it as he won’t risk damaging his hands not that his hands exist purely to cook

 

[kekaro]

Yes he can use weapons, like he did with the knife. It's ok if it is a one or two time thing. But His fighting style is cemented from the begninning, I don't think it should change drastically like that.

I mean obviously it depends how meta you want to go, Oda doesnt want to mainly use his hands because its looks cooler. And in some cases he doesnt also give him techniques because it would encroach into other SH skillsets, like sanji infinitly stronger than Donflamingo for example so a Rankyaku like attack would cleave whole land masses but he doesnt have that cause cutting is in odas mind not his thing.
I think oda just saving this for his final EoS fight or moment where he will use his hands to fight a opponent of his league or to protect the crew or something, would be my guess.

I feel like it was to protect his hands he’d phrase it as he won’t risk damaging his hands not that his hands exist purely to cook

Maybe, but if we go with your explanation, than Oda "retconned" it again because he uses the bubble gun in Egghead which is no different than using a real gun mechanicly, and hence other weapons