Role Madness Frieren: Beyond Journey's End

[Ratchet]

@Ratchet did you really started to read without checking the flips?

I checked the alignment of the flips but I haven't read the roles themselves yet, just that I know Ubell died Day 1 but I can't see who that was from the flip.

 

[Ratchet]

This forum is awful. Why is there a cooldown ffs

P-please understand, we try our best (our site overlord is AWOL and doesn't care to implement many improvements, just getting threadmarks was a welcome feature).

 

[Ratchet]

Yoho makes posts like this as town all the time

He does but I also think it's pretty NAI for him. To be honest I don't know how to read Yoho any more, I suspect he intentionally tries to play like scum as town so he can hide when he actually is scum better. I wouldn't mind seeing him flip.

 

[Ratchet]

Show me one? I recently did a deep dive into a Yoho scum game and he didn’t make a single post like that, it was all low effort one liners and struggled to give opinions

Actually, this is fair. I haven't done such a dive so I can't really say I've noticed that, but I can buy it.

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Why? Not a fan of you so far Melkor.

Melkor was lynched D1 lol, but good to see it wasn’t just me thinking this

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Of course I meant as alignment in game.
The protect on Flower makes sense since she hinted at being doc

At least one claim is fake especially the vig one with what Rohan claimed D1, if we consider Rohan should be town by play then Poyser is lying to obtain a mislynch on tepig. Although Tepig can be an indy, he's probably not mafia, idk why Ekko as mafia would back up from pushing Rej and come with a salty town read at the end

Of course they are, I start to suspect you

Can you quote the post?


@Ratchet did you really started to read without checking the flips?

You start to suspect me after I claim vig… it’s terrible. Why would Rohan’s D1 post matter in the slightest? He’s claimed PGO, he had zero information about the vig or lack thereof. There’s pretty much always a vig

if you’re argument is that I should have reacted to it, then that’s even worse

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Yeah so I feel like Flower's play around this is most easily explained by her being town knowing she has a claim in her pocket that's clearing. It explains why she's eager not to lash back at you Poyser because I do believe she hates that confrontational part of the game, I think when she has the opportunity to do so she's much more likely to sit back and watch her pushers dash themselves against a wall because she has a claim that will usually trump whatever they can bring against her. And while it could be scum with a cop fake, I think the fact I can reason it out as her being town is generally a good sign for her, I'm fine being charitable in this case - I think she's town.

For you I think your claim does a lot of heavy lifting, I could see you getting stuck on this as town because what you're identifying is valid in isolation, but it also reminds me of a recent scum game you had where you were pushing Flower and I expected you to come to the same conclusions I did with her when you didn't, which has me a little wary. I think I still lean on the mech and say you're town, but I need to see a wider consideration from you (and it's possible I see that in the remaining 72 pages I have to read). I'm mostly saying this because if you're town, I'd like you to try and find Flower because I think she's town.

I’m not sure why you’d expect me to come to the same conclusion though, because it’s not my experience with flower at all. I’ve NEVER (and I truly mean not even once) seen flower remain calm whilst being pushed, especially by me. I actually backed off her at that point because I was taken aback and I didn’t really want to punish better behaviour. Like the reason I was so strong for giving her an enforced break on OLF is because a few games in a row where I pushed her and she completely lost her shit to the point of ruining the game for everybody. It’s an interesting take from you I’m ngl

also I’ll wait until you catch up but I make other points later on about her actual play (or lack thereof)

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Actually, this is fair. I haven't done such a dive so I can't really say I've noticed that, but I can buy it.

I will say I still lean him town but I’m not really confident on it at this stage. He’s basically done and contributed literally nothing lol

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

I will drop pushing flower btw because likelihood does point to me just being wrong. If Fuji has given her a fake cop claim then it was a clown game to begin with so I ain’t gonna feel bad if we lose to it

 

[Ratchet]

I’m not sure why you’d expect me to come to the same conclusion though, because it’s not my experience with flower at all. I’ve NEVER (and I truly mean not even once) seen flower remain calm whilst being pushed, especially by me. I actually backed off her at that point because I was taken aback and I didn’t really want to punish better behaviour. Like the reason I was so strong for giving her an enforced break on OLF is because a few games in a row where I pushed her and she completely lost her shit to the point of ruining the game for everybody. It’s an interesting take from you I’m ngl

also I’ll wait until you catch up but I make other points later on about her actual play (or lack thereof)

It's more than if she has a cop claim in her pocket I can see her remaining calm, at least outwardly, because she knows she can uno-reverse on her pushers if it gets to her claiming. It also hasn't really built up yet (maybe that changes), if a wagon formed I think it might be a bit different, because Flower takes it very personally when she's scum read.

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Ah it's the standard bodyguard. Hmm, I dunno how I feel about that claim, feels like a really weird one for scum to make and not a role I see Fuji giving to scum either.

Yeah this is the issue I have with it basically. But he survived a kill and the RBer (if you believe Alexis) was on rej and he survived my kill, so I don’t see a lot of room for us being wrong unless I was JKed or something.
And if I was JKed blind on N1, then you’d have to imagine probably you or flower are scum lmao, because most players in this game aren’t really that familiar with me and wouldn’t have the same respect that you two would

so like Occam’s razor says that tepig is scum, but his claim is batshit for scum and I will say his reaction to what I claimed and the resulting wagon didn’t really feel super scummy either

but then also bitter has claimed doc, which is another point against him lmao

I’m not sure how I see how we can lynch anybody else

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

It's more than if she has a cop claim in her pocket I can see her remaining calm, at least outwardly, because she knows she can uno-reverse on her pushers if it gets to her claiming. It also hasn't really built up yet (maybe that changes), if a wagon formed I think it might be a bit different, because Flower takes it very personally when she's scum read.

It is possible, I’m just used to her being very different as town in general. If she’s decided she just wants to rely on her claim for everything then fair enough but it’s been ridiculously poor play from her if she’s town. She’s basically done nothing and then outted herself as cop on D1 for no reason lol

 

[Ratchet]

And if I was JKed blind on N1, then you’d have to imagine probably you or flower are scum lmao

I wasn't even in the game then tho!

I do accept the rest of it, I'd almost forgotten he was vigged lol. And I don't have another direction yet either, I'm caught between trying to make reads and speed on through to catching up so I can at least talk about the game equipped. I'm okay with it for now but we'll see.

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

I wasn't even in the game then tho!

I do accept the rest of it, I'd almost forgotten he was vigged lol. And I don't have another direction yet either, I'm caught between trying to make reads and speed on through to catching up so I can at least talk about the game equipped. I'm okay with it for now but we'll see.

Well that’s fair, but it does apply to hayumi as well

 

[Rej]

I actually liked Rej up to here but I'm not a fan of this unvote, simply because I don't know Rej as someone who will acquiesce to the majority sentiment, certainly not easily.

That also was pretty rough of a decision. Letting go of my policybias and such. Took also a toll to let go of Ekko during the exchange. I think I just got triggered pretty early in the game and realized I need to chill out.

But I am honest when I say that I wouldn't have minded when other's jumped onto Alexis with me and he woulda get kinda policed lol. Aslong these type of lynches occur D1.

For D1 it also went pretty smooth and I was kinda able to sense whether people wanted to hop on Alexis or nah.

About the acquiesce thingy (also had to google what that word meant) I guess it comes with activity? The more active I am the more I am speaking towards the entirety of the players. I can hardly gauge it because my activity is hella inconsistent across the games. That's something I leave people like ya to analyze about me.

 

[BigTimeAnimeMan]

Yeah the only other explanation is my kill was bus driven to RA, but that again would point to him being scum anyways

in that scenario, scum probably tried to kill flower

 

[Rej]

Why? Not a fan of you so far Melkor.

Lol he got lynched D1

 

[Rej]

Ratchet talking to Melkor after flip feels confused. I think it spews him a bit town.

Anyway I am ready to vote tepig. that would be 6 votes. Who are the other 2 voters?

 

[Ratchet]

Yeah the only other explanation is my kill was bus driven to RA, but that again would point to him being scum anyways

in that scenario, scum probably tried to kill flower

I do think this is plausible actually. Would explain both the weird kill and why Flower received a result, too.

 

[Rej]

Also are we happy with the current state? There is no counter wagon or anything. Also the activity is kinda thin. I went to sleep and only 2 more pages...