Questions & Mysteries About Roger-Kaido Haki level

Kaido's CoC canonly grew stronger with shuron hakke, when he was already splitting the sky, when sober.

No one on GV even split the sky besides DR Xebec, but thanks to the fact, that Xebec did ir, we know Oda had a sky split on his mind.
Hard to explain that away, if Garp and Roger would really have been in there prime, right.

Even if you'd like to, you just cannot give GV Roger the benefit of the doubt here. That's just not how it works and I like Garp and Roger much more than Kaido.

I'd say:
PK Roger 130+ > Shuron hakke Kaido 115+ > sober Kaido 100+ >~ GV Roger 100.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I used to think this was the case but Oden's statement doesn't have to be interpreted that way:

"in reality this is in the context of a prophecy. It's a prophecy that pirates leading the next generation will strike down Kaido.

That doesn't inherently mean no one in the present day when this was written by oden is literally incapable of striking down Kaido.

Just that specifically these new Pirates will be the one to do it.

And the reason he says "If I am dead by then" is because he intended to do it. And he stated that this was a Kozuki matter when he chose not to accept any outside help.

But he's saying on the condition that he fails, these new pirates will be the ones to do it.

That doesn't mean on the condition that he fails, no one else in his time is capable of it.

When he fought kaido he already knew the prophecy, the void century and everything related, he knew big changes were going to happen in 20 years.

So his perspective was "if i fail it's up to them" Because he knows it's specifically their role to open Wano's borders.

That is why when he says "If I don't manage to strike down Kaido no one of our time will succeed" he's saying that it is fated for the bringers of change that arrive in 20 years to do it, and no one else.

Regardless of strength. It does not have to do with anyone else at that time being too weak to do it. "
I think it should be interpreted that way because it is now obvious that Oda never had any intention of lifting Roger above others.
At least not when it comes to individual strength.

Yes, the new gen in 20 years is about the prophecy but you forget that Oden knows the strength of Roger and Whitebeard first hand, he fought both of them, he is very much aware that if he fails, nobody else is strong enough to kill Kaido either.
And then you add in the context of Oden returning many times stronger and called by author invicnible and triumphant as well as author saying that might of Kozuki Oden surpassed Kaido's expectations while treating him as mighty pirate like Roger and WB, as well as Oden's own statement that his sword style is the best there is and the fact that Oda chose only him to leave a scar on Kaido...
...there is only one logical conclusion to this - Kaido>Oden>rest of the old generation.
 
Kaido's CoC canonly grew stronger with shuron hakke, when he was already splitting the sky, when sober.

No one on GV even split the sky besides DR Xebec, but thanks to the fact, that Xebec did ir, we know Oda had a sky split on his mind.
Hard to explain that away, if Garp and Roger would really have been in there prime, right.

Even if you'd like to, you just cannot give GV Roger the benefit of the doubt here. That's just not how it works and I like Garp and Roger much more than Kaido.

I'd say:
PK Roger 130+ > Shuron hakke Kaido 115+ > sober Kaido 100+ >~ GV Roger 100.
What is you justification for this power level though?

What makes GV Roger "100" first and foremost
 
Think about it this way. Two flashbacks showcasing prime roger and he still has not shown newer advanced haki feats than the devil fruit merchant Linlin :ronalaugh:

You can even argue Linlin to have adcoo due to her strongest son having it she was buttering him up to be the strongest fighter in her crew. Even his adcoc body coating needs to be done actively while she does it passively :dogkek:
 
What is you justification for this power level though?

What makes GV Roger "100" first and foremost
The value of 100 for GV Roger was set by the opening post and I just went with it. The numbers are just a rough orientation in order to showcase a certain hierarchy I had in mind.
Or are you asking me why I scaled GV Roger at 100 relatively to a sky splitter in sober Kaido, who I also have around a 100..?
 
The value of 100 for GV Roger was set by the opening post and I just went with it. The numbers are just a rough orientation in order to showcase a certain hierarchy I had in mind.
Or are you asking me why I scaled GV Roger at 100 relatively to a sky splitter in sober Kaido, who I also have around a 100..?
One of us is confusing the OpeningPost. Since he never mentioned GV Roger.
The only time Roger had a direct encounter to a sky split was with Whitebeard. Both on paper and narratively. GV Roger had to share with GV Garp to get that result in the current flashback. Not a feat he is able to do against a single peer.

So it makes sense for the opening post to be talking about Roger's encounter with WB's haki.
 
One of us is confusing the OpeningPost. Since he never mentioned GV Roger.
The only time Roger had a direct encounter to a sky split was with Whitebeard. Both on paper and narratively. GV Roger had to share with GV Garp to get that result in the current flashback. Not a feat he is able to do against a single peer.

So it makes sense for the opening post to be talking about Roger's encounter with WB's haki.
Oh yea, you are right. I thought he was talking about GV Roger in specific. I got it confused then.
That's what happens, when you browse through that forum late in the evening lol

How would you rank them in terms of CoC or where do you see them at approximately? Include DR Xebec and normal Xebec aswell if you don't mind.
 
First I'm going to make a disclaimer because I know whoever gonna read my take are gonna either strawman or find a way to misrepresent my position.

So first, the measurement tool I am basing it on only and ONLY in reference of a character's quality of haki/CoC's narrative/inference

Meaning I am not measuring the attack power, combat feats, or techniques in this position.


How would you rank them in terms of CoC or where do you see them at approximately?
I'm going to go with the chapter 1027 narrative for Kaido, where Luffy's CoC's is now considered in the big leagues to these Great Pirates. While Kaido have demonstrated on both hands that this level of quality is in his possession in copying Whitebeard and Roger's CoC feat.

If they are the standard (100) and Kaido has proven to be the same.

We also have gotten information by Luffy telling us that Kaido has also increase the strength of his haki going Drunk.

So Kaido has a temporal ability to increase the quality of haki even further via Drunken Dragon Bagua. Giving Kaido a 100+

Include DR Xebec and normal Xebec aswell if you don't mind.
Xebec has come off as the stronger of the bunch but again, by simply measuring his CoC's haki Oda gave off the impression that the 5-6 team CoC's attack they dished out has produced the same ceiling of effect against Imu. And the icing on the cake is some characters bickering on who contributed the most as a narrative banter.

From a narrative standpoint they all had the same ceiling in their CoC's haki (while Kaido was there as message of future-tense)

While DR Xebec has given us the first introduction of his amp to force a peer to peer(s) contribution of a narrative sky split.


So from what we have seen DR Xebec started the sky split from a peer standpoint (100) and then the other 5 caught up to that level after GV in CoC's haki.
 
I'm going to go with the chapter 1027 narrative for Kaido, where Luffy's CoC's is now considered in the big leagues to these Great Pirates. While Kaido have demonstrated on both hands that this level of quality is in his possession in copying Whitebeard and Roger's CoC feat.

If they are the standard (100) and Kaido has proven to be the same.
The problem I'm right now having is that a Sky split is a certain benchmark, that confirms a certain lvl, a lvl that we as fans consider solid top tier lvl or atleast mid top tier lvl or great pirate lvl, whatever one wants to call it.

For that it's a great and pretty much the only measuring stick, but what do we do, if guys -via portrayal (and feats) - should be considered above others, who were already sky splitting- similar to drunk Kaido. Via shuron hakke Kaido we know levels above are possible and in his case we got verbal confirmation, but otherwise it's difficult to deduct.

So what I think is, that we would do injustice to PK Roger and Primebeard and the whole FB Rogerbeard clash, when we would just look at the sky split phenomenon and basically scale them down at hand of it.
It's not clear yet what Oda's going to do in order to portray lvls above that visually, but I think it's very likely that at these lvls of CoC power, the sky split visual basically makes up the base and then Oda can go the extra mile with added information and visuals.
And I think he did so within the Rogerbeard clash. The whole island was shaking and ships at the coasts were capsizing, trees were flying around and stuff. It's just faaaar too much extra things he went for there and then it just so happens to be PK Roger and prolly WSM Primebeard he did it for.
For me personally it's clear Oda wanted to establish a new height for these two in specific - besides guys like DR Rocks and Joyboy ofc.

Hence I'd personally never put them at a 100 next to the others, even if WB vs Shanks for example was "just" a sky split aswell (been a long time since then).

What do you think about that?
From a narrative standpoint they all had the same ceiling in their CoC's haki (while Kaido was there as message of future-tense)
You mean it as: They all weren't equal yet, but the context tells us all of them have the same potential or in other words, all of them are going to peak at the same level..?
So from what we have seen DR Xebec started the sky split from a peer standpoint (100) and then the other 5 caught up to that level after GV in CoC's haki.
You don't consider Xebec's solo sky split special or superior to the conventional clash created sky splits?

And just in order to get you right: For you it's basically: Drunk Kaido >~ DR Xebec ~ Primebeard ~ Prime Roger ~ Big Mom ~ sober Kaido ~ 1026 Luffy..?
 
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