Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love
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Definitely happening because Oda didn’t made Sanji come from a "special" family and group that existem for so many years just to give him an Exoskeleton. By saying "year of Sanji" Oda clearly meant all that is going to be tied to Sanji'a character arc in a way or another
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What you’ve just said doesn’t really contradict what I’m saying above. The drug Sora took could have potentially added an x factor to the blue print Judge was trying to create which enabled Sanji to awaken genes from the master race. Or the Drug itself could have been a relic the Vibsmokes 300 years go left behingd. Sanji stumbling on that ultimate gene either by coincidence or due to that relic again won’t contradict anything I’ve said above.
Also I think you’re misunderstanding something here, I’m not saying the vinsmokes were once that master race but rather they stumbled on it 300 years ago as a result of their lineage factor research & got erased as a result.
Also I think you’re misunderstanding something here, I’m not saying the vinsmokes were once that master race but rather they stumbled on it 300 years ago as a result of their lineage factor research & got erased as a result.
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What else you clown
It would be pretty badass actualy.
Imagine the Germa back in the day that took a huge part of the world under their controll, so the WG started an all-out war with them to get the North Blue back under their controll and it took them 66 days to finaly defeat Germa.
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Vinsmoke Romeo, the guy who reigned over North Blue for 66 days 
Imagine the Germa back in the day that took a huge part of the world under their controll, so the WG started an all-out war with them to get the North Blue back under their controll and it took them 66 days to finaly defeat Germa.
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I know what I said doesn't refute your idea, I'm just saying we should keep things simple imo, this is why I talked about applying Occam's razor. I feel like you're kinda complicating everything for the sake of your theory. You took your idea as a starting point and you're trying to make the shoe fit.
How did Sora find a 300-year-old drug that happened to belong to the Vinsmoke line without Judge's knowledge? Why didn't Judge recognize this power in Sanji when he saw him use DJ? Seems like a stretch to me. I guess you could find an explanation even for those things, but it'd just be speculation based on speculation. You'd have to further complicate things and come up with something Oda is very unlikely to have thought about. With that approach, we pretty much can make a million different theories that'd be irrefutable.
Those are the simple facts we're aware of:
Sanji is a "normal" human that was unaffected by Judge's enhancements (until he used the RS, obviously) and his genes stayed dormant
Sanji is the only human who has abnormal heat resistance and can use flames without a DF or haki
Sanji is the only one who was affected by the drug his mother ingested, resulting in his genes staying dormant
So my conclusion is that the drug is likely the cause of Sanji's unique abilities and although I understand you're not disputing that, I prefer to leave it at that.
Adding Vinsmoke lore on top of this seems kinda random and unnecessary to me. I'm not saying we can't have more Vinsmoke lore, as there are clearly grey areas that leave room for more development here, but there's no reason to believe it'd have anything to do with the drug Sora took or Sanji's abilities. Imo we shouldn't take everything we can tie to Sanji and his family and just mix everything together in a bowl.
How did Sora find a 300-year-old drug that happened to belong to the Vinsmoke line without Judge's knowledge? Why didn't Judge recognize this power in Sanji when he saw him use DJ? Seems like a stretch to me. I guess you could find an explanation even for those things, but it'd just be speculation based on speculation. You'd have to further complicate things and come up with something Oda is very unlikely to have thought about. With that approach, we pretty much can make a million different theories that'd be irrefutable.
Those are the simple facts we're aware of:
Sanji is a "normal" human that was unaffected by Judge's enhancements (until he used the RS, obviously) and his genes stayed dormant
Sanji is the only human who has abnormal heat resistance and can use flames without a DF or haki
Sanji is the only one who was affected by the drug his mother ingested, resulting in his genes staying dormant
So my conclusion is that the drug is likely the cause of Sanji's unique abilities and although I understand you're not disputing that, I prefer to leave it at that.
Adding Vinsmoke lore on top of this seems kinda random and unnecessary to me. I'm not saying we can't have more Vinsmoke lore, as there are clearly grey areas that leave room for more development here, but there's no reason to believe it'd have anything to do with the drug Sora took or Sanji's abilities. Imo we shouldn't take everything we can tie to Sanji and his family and just mix everything together in a bowl.
Not really sure what part you’re refuting feels like you’re saying the exact same ting in a different way. The crux of my theory is that Sanji has unlocked genesis/origin genes. How that came to be can be I’m not really fussed about. Whether it was just a coincidence from mixing & matching, vegapunks drug or a relic of the vinsmokes doesn’t really matter.
I’m connecting this to Vinsmokes legacy coz I think it will complement the Sanji/Judge story line.
Hmmm…so you think the wild spread narrative of Sora vs the Evil Vinsmokes is legit? Personally I’m leaning more towards it being WG propaganda tbh. Hence why I’m not really on board with the above. Though I’m not really against Sanji being a Sora parallel in itself if let’s say Sora was actually originally a Vinsmoke who’s name is being used for propaganda by the WG.
I’m connecting this to Vinsmokes legacy coz I think it will complement the Sanji/Judge story line.
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Hmmm…so you think the wild spread narrative of Sora vs the Evil Vinsmokes is legit? Personally I’m leaning more towards it being WG propaganda tbh. Hence why I’m not really on board with the above. Though I’m not really against Sanji being a Sora parallel in itself if let’s say Sora was actually originally a Vinsmoke who’s name is being used for propaganda by the WG.
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Definitely happening because Oda didn’t made Sanji come from a "special" family and group that existem for so many years just to give him an Exoskeleton. By saying "year of Sanji" Oda clearly meant all that is going to be tied to Sanji'a character arc in a way or another
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The chances that Sora, Sanji's mother, and Sora the hero are unrelated is close to zero. Unless Sora was one of Judge clone experiments (and he picked her name out of spite) OR she was a descendant of the actual hero (and he married her out of spite), it is likely the hero of the comic strip was named after her.
And neither of those "spite scenarios" makes much sense to me. Sora being a clone would make sense but I doubt he would name the Queen of the Germa Kingdom like their greatest enemy, he would be insulting his ancestors for petty reasons. Judge marrying someone out of spite would be in contrast with his goal of generating the most powerful enhanced humans ever, even though it would be fitting for a Romeo-Juliet parallel.
This being said, there are only two reasons someone would create a story where someone named Sora is the hero: either you hate Judge and Germa for what they did to Sora or you are Judge and you regret your action. Since Judge knows Morgans and he doesn't seem to resent him, I would exclude the former.
I also can't bring myself to accept Judge as fully evil. Sanji looks exactly like him in the future where things went wrong.
Deep down, I'm convinced Judge is a kind guy. A man who had to carry the full weight of his ancestors' dreams on his shoulders and lost everything -even himself- in the process.
Judge being the artist behind the comic strip would make for a great twist, imagine if drawing meant to Judge what cooking means to Sanji. What a beautiful and tragic story
And neither of those "spite scenarios" makes much sense to me. Sora being a clone would make sense but I doubt he would name the Queen of the Germa Kingdom like their greatest enemy, he would be insulting his ancestors for petty reasons. Judge marrying someone out of spite would be in contrast with his goal of generating the most powerful enhanced humans ever, even though it would be fitting for a Romeo-Juliet parallel.
This being said, there are only two reasons someone would create a story where someone named Sora is the hero: either you hate Judge and Germa for what they did to Sora or you are Judge and you regret your action. Since Judge knows Morgans and he doesn't seem to resent him, I would exclude the former.
I also can't bring myself to accept Judge as fully evil. Sanji looks exactly like him in the future where things went wrong.
Deep down, I'm convinced Judge is a kind guy. A man who had to carry the full weight of his ancestors' dreams on his shoulders and lost everything -even himself- in the process.
Judge being the artist behind the comic strip would make for a great twist, imagine if drawing meant to Judge what cooking means to Sanji. What a beautiful and tragic story
