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For the 213819283th time, who do you think it's Sanji's BBP matchup?


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That’s is not really a valid comparison though.
Do you think S-shark is equivalent to frail kid Sanji in this situation?

I’d say it again if you don’t think Sanji’s brothers are capable of replicating the same feat then the question is why? The argument that Sanji’s exoskeleton is stronger than his brothers because he has a stronger base is not really a valid argument imo.

I’m not really sure why there is such resistance to PoL being in play here. This a good ting for Sanji story wise as he’s exhibiting abilities beyond the capabilities of Judge’s special soldiers.
 
That’s is not really a valid comparison though.
Do you think S-shark is equivalent to frail kid Sanji in this situation?

I’d say it again if you don’t think Sanji’s brothers are capable of replicating the same feat then the question is why? The argument that Sanji’s exoskeleton is stronger than his brothers because he has a stronger base is not really a valid argument imo.

I’m not really sure why there is such resistance to PoL being in play here. This a good ting for Sanji story wise as he’s exhibiting abilities beyond the capabilities of Judge’s special soldiers.
You claimed durability doesn't make you immovable unless you add insane weight on top of durability, I simply provided an example that proves it did happen before, in one scene that happened to be about showcasing the efficiency of the exoskeleton. So that statement is factually inaccurate, regardless of whether that feat is comparable to tanking S-Shark's punch. I'm not trying to prove he didn't use PoL against S-Shark, I'm showing durability resulting in being immovable is actually a thing in OP.

I have no idea whether Sanji's brothers could tank S-Shark's punch because there's nothing that points toward one answer or the other, we have no way of knowing if they could (you seem to have a firm stance on this for no reason). Sanji possibly having a stronger exoskeleton isn't an argument to prove he didn't use PoL, it's just an alternate explanation to something that's purely speculative anyway (his brothers supposedly being too weak to tank S-Shark's punch). Basically, my point is that there are many possibilities and PoL isn't automatically the right explanation, far from it. You're saying the stronger exoskeleton isn't a valid explanation, but it seems you can't really explain why and just default to "because PoL".

It's not about resisting the idea of PoL being used, not everything has to have something to do with what one wants to see happen in the story. I already said I think he used PoL against Kizaru, so why would you think I hate the idea of him using it against S-Shark? That makes no sense.

I'm not sure why it's so common for people to claim someone is against an idea or "hate" it because they disagree with it. I get it can be frustrating when you come up with something you find cool, feel like it's supported by facts and then you're met with skepticism by fellow fans, but that doesn't mean your idea is hated. "Either you agree or you're against it" is an extremely binary and simplistic view of the world, it's like claiming atheists hate the idea of God and the afterlife.

I'm simply trying to be rigorous in my way of thinking and I'm not gonna jump to an explanation just because I find if fancy. If we automatically agreed with each other any time someone made a cool theory about Sanji just because it'd be good news for the character, this thread would become boring quickly.

Here, I just don't feel like there's any reason to think he used PoL on top of the exoskeleton, because the exoskeleton is a sufficient explanation. I'm not saying it's impossible he used PoL, nor am I trying to prove he didn't, I just think it's an unnecessary addition to something that already has a simple and intuitive explanation. Like I already said, I like to keep things simple.
 
It isn’t easy to make a distinction here but one difference between this & the Queen feat is the deformation of the exoskeleton.

Exoskeleton typically deforms when it receives a very strong physical impact.
I've always attributed this to Sanji already being in a highly diminished state. He recovered quickly, but Queen's Germa attacks were hurting him.





Now compare that to S-Shark having no effect with a freebie Fishman Karate strike. The only hint of pain Sanji showed that arc is when he got shot with a laser, and he recovered from that quickly as well.

The exoskeleton and healing factor are incredible, but not without limits, and the former appears stronger when Sanji's in a good condition.

Moreover like I already pointed out using Vergo as an example there is the question of kinetic energy & momentum from S-Shark’s punch. Durability doesn’t make you immovable. For that to be possible you will have to add insane weight on top of durability & we’ve seen even someone like Linlin get set flying by Jinbe before. Fishman Karate + Fishman Strength from a hybrid Lunarian that can use Haki didn’t even move Sanji’s head back.

Also the sound effect used here also shows what Oda’s emphasizing here. With exo scenes there is usually a sort of metallic sound emphasizing the exoskeleton like ガン (gan) or バッキン (bakkin) where as with that S-Shark scene Oda used ドスン!here which emphasize heavy impact and a ドン!to emphasize the feat so exo is not the focus here.

The evidence is in the text imo but if that isn’t enough the fine details show that it isn’t just the exoskeleton at play.
I think this is a case of sweating the small stuff. What you're describing can be found across countless series and stories. Comics have this kind of stuff, as do a lot of shounen.

In agreement with this take 🫂
If anything we need a proper explanation as to why Sanji’s able to retain his emotions even though he’s awakened his Germa abilities & that not only fits perfectly narratively but the logistics of that & Kuma overriding his programming are pretty much the same.
I think there's something to be said for there not being any real evidence of the emotion-suppressing side effects of Germa science in kids that didn't develop them having a similar impact on an adult that already did.

PoL is something I regard as a possibility, but not one I necessarily believe to be true. I think, narratively, it would be more powerful if there was no "power" of any kind involved beside Sanji's willpower to believe in himself.

I don’t think so otherwise there would’ve been no point in Sanji gaining invisible via sheer physical speed imo though I see the logic in your argument ^^
Light-based or light-manipulation powers don't have to have anything to do with speed.

For all we know, Sanji's intended powers were designed by Judge to counteract Vegapunk's research in lasers. Hell, Judge might've designed Ichiji and Niji with offense in mind, Sanji with defense and Yonji for support. That's kind of what it looked like on Whole Cake Island.

I’d say it again if you don’t think Sanji’s brothers are capable of replicating the same feat then the question is why? The argument that Sanji’s exoskeleton is stronger than his brothers because he has a stronger base is not really a valid argument imo.
I'm always surprised when people think Sanji's exoskeleton isn't clearly better.

I know scaling and power creeps and all, but I don't think Sanji could get hurt by those "anti Germa" bullets from WCI, nor do I think his siblings could take a Fishman Karate strike from S-Shark.

Ichiji got destroyed by Katakuri pretty quickly off panel, and seemingly without needing to stab him, just a plain old beating.

Also, Sanji having an INSANE foundation of feats prior to the Germa awakening should perhaps not prove it but make it all the more likely. The Raid Suit might not have been enough for brothers to survive King's attack intended to split Sanji in two.
 
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Why wouldn't he get Conq Haki though
There are several reasons why he might not get it, a lot of which I have already touched up on in several discussions in this thread with the main one being that Oda seems to be going a unique route with Sanji's strength development post-ts so imo there is no guarantee that he will be getting the same PUs as Luffy and Zoro. Unlike those two, Sanji has rarely gotten haki development post-ts but rather Oda has opted to go the lineage factor route with him instead.

Moreover the main reason why folks seem to be convinced that Sanji will get it is because Scopper has it but then again Scopper is not a genetically modified human. Scopper like the Zoro's of the world needs to polish his haki to the top level it in order to tango at the top level.
Sanji unlike Scopper for instance has the luxury of the Exo to fortify his armament as opposed to having to learn barrier haki for instance. King for instance has much better defense/durability that Kat even though the latter has better Haki due to his genetic perks, Sanji is similar in this vein.

Sanji fans have already taken a major win on this CoC issue given Scopper, Sanji's parallel has it so Sanji getting it is simply a bonus.
Sanji will surpass Scopper ("one of the the very strongest" as the ACoC glazers like to say) so whether he has ACoC or not is irrelevant. If anything not having it will only be proof of how narrow-minded that notion is and has always been.
 
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