Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

[ConquistadoR]

Zoro really cursed Rayleigh. Pre timeskip Rayleigh had no link to Zoro in Oda's mind. He just saw Ray as Goofy's sensei so he treated him with utmost respect and glaze like any shonen. But then he brought Gaban into the story and started associating Rayleigh with that bum Zoro...I knew Ray was doomed when I saw that.

But his sensei portrayal still came in clutch narrative wise as he did secure the GV main prize, he would never give Zoro those honours. That would 100% be a role Luffy plays in a current arc.

Think about it... we could have had the real Dark King/Luffy sensei Rayleigh, equal of Roger, with both IDCoA & FS... the powerups Luffy got.

Instead we got a bastardized, nonchalant womaniser Zoro sharing a wings dynamic with a bastardized Sanjino.

 

[Wh1p]

Zoro really cursed Rayleigh. Pre timeskip Rayleigh had no link to Zoro in Oda's mind. He just saw Ray as Goofy's sensei so he treated him with utmost respect and glaze like any shonen. But then he brought Gaban into the story and started associating Rayleigh with that bum Zoro...I knew Ray was doomed when I saw that.

But his sensei portrayal still came in clutch narrative wise as he did secure the GV main prize, he would never give Zoro those honours. That would 100% be a role Luffy plays in a current arc.

Zoro was always a Rayleigh parallel. Do you think its a coincidence that the nothing happened moment was just an arc prior to his introduction? Or the fact that Zoro was introduced as a supernova alongside Luffy in Sabaody? And the fact that people thought Zoro should be a captain in that very arc? Lol.

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Think about it... we could have had the real Dark King/Luffy sensei Rayleigh, equal of Roger, with both IDCoA & FS... the powerups Luffy got.

Instead we got a bastardized, nonchalant womaniser Zoro sharing a wings dynamic with a bastardized Sanjino.

I would assume Rayleigh is also a master of observation haki. Why wouldn't he be, lol?

 

[ZenZu]

I really dont think he just ragequit after failing to stop preskip condom lol.

Likely cuz the events of the war itself and the aftermath, and to signal the end of the old era and the beginning of Akainu's era.

And also, it wasnt just Sengoku... Garp stopped being an active Marine too.

Oh man you think I'm just referring to that??

No I wasn't just saying it in jest 😂

You're gonna love this then...check this out. Sengoku quite literally quit on the war and admitted defeat after Luffy clowned him. He as the Fleet Admiral was giving a concession speech to his underling Marines.

Akainu was doing the exact opposite. Pre timeskip Luffy legit made him quit. I wasn't exaggerating 😂

Sengoku is a fucking disgrace.

 

[ConquistadoR]

I would assume Rayleigh is also a master of observation haki. Why wouldn't he be, lol?

Being a master of CoO =/= Being a confirmed Fs user.

Two different things.

 

[Shiroyru]

If they weren't in their primes Oda wouldn't make them fully knowledgeable on adCoC with full control over it and its advanced applications. He could have shown the readers that they are learning more about it during battle, but it was never presented as such. They were haki masters.

Their Haki learning lesson was that you can… pour all your Haki into one attack to overcome someone else’s Haki defense…

Which is obviously something that someone who isn’t completely braindead should intuitively understand, but that’s modern One Piece fighting for you

 

[ZenZu]

I don´t really think his intention was that Luffy was too much of a problem, just that Sengoku wanted to shift the marines focus on WB. Luffy and Ace could easily have been dealt with eventually, but WB´s fruit could cause a lot of casualties. Even as much as Sakazuki looked better then him at MF, Sakazuki is almost as much of a bitch as fleet admiral(he doesn´t sweat, but he rages a lot). Hell, for all that you can shit on him for that moment, once Blackbeard starts talking shit, Sengoku´s the first one to step up and attempt to fight his entire crew before getting help from Garp. Sengoku is also pretty consistent through the war that if he thinks Garp steps out of line, he will deal with it. He basically does that by putting Garp on the ground, though obviously that´s not a fair confrontation.

Did someone mention Whitebeard?

 

[ConquistadoR]

Their Haki learning lesson was that you can… pour all your Haki into one attack to overcome someone else’s Haki defense…

Which is obviously something that someone who isn’t completely braindead should intuitively understand, but that’s modern One Piece fighting for you

Its exactly what Enma forces its wielder to do tbh.

 

[soupongo]

Did someone mention Whitebeard?

WB trying to sink the enitre island seems like it would be relevant for the Fleet admiral, who has the goal of reducing casualties and maintaining the image of the marines

 

[Shiroyru]

Fair enough. Big Mom is especially bad because she got to go all out and still looked ass. But Sengoku has been hiding behind the old label yet his feats and prowess compared to the other old legends have been dogshit just like Big Mom. But it's true he atleast didn't get to go all out but If you read between the lines you'll see Sengoku and Big Mom are very similar in how they leech off of characters greater than them, I ask myself would Oda make any Admiral quit after failing to stop pre timeskip Luffy? It's really the most pathetic display out of any Marine we've seen. Eating crackers can only carry him so far.

In BM’s defense, Misery is more of a final transformation than a final attack. It’s just her fusing her 3 homies together into a single homie. Ofc, it’s still ridiculous how weak Misery’s normal attacks looked, but that’s just a symptom of Oda giving Kid and Law bottomless endurance in the fight and his refusal to draw impressive DC

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Don't bully Sengoku too hard Marineford was the first large scale battle he made it to

 

[Xione]

Did someone mention Whitebeard?

W fleet admiral sweating over the fodder Marines that'll suffer from Whitebeard's attack.

 

[ConquistadoR]

In BM’s defense, Misery is more of a final transformation than a final attack. It’s just her fusing her 3 homies together into a single homie. Ofc, it’s still ridiculous how weak Misery’s normal attacks looked, but that’s just a symptom of Oda giving Kid and Law bottomless endurance in the fight and his refusal to draw impressive DC

Misery never landed a single hit on Law/Kidd btw. So not a question of endurance.

Flame Bagua just utterly shits on Misery in every department though... sheer scale, raw power, destructiveness.

Defeated in a clash by an island sized CoC KKG v. Cut by DFless Law.

 

[LayerZ]

Damn I wonder how many times he stayed there man being an holy knight mean he probably done some crazy stuf flike killing civilians forcing other countries to pay taxes to the GM he might even have participated to a God valy type of hunt .

 

[Xione]

WB trying to sink the enitre island seems like it would be relevant for the Fleet admiral, who has the goal of reducing casualties and maintaining the image of the marines

Cook these admiraltards

 

[ZenZu]

WB trying to sink the enitre island seems like it would be relevant for the Fleet admiral, who has the goal of reducing casualties and maintaining the image of the marines

No way are you trying to argue rn that the island sinking and Ace getting away is better than just the island sinking

WB was planning on sinking the island according to Bumgoku but just moments ago he tried to stop Ace/Luffy. He couldn't do it and then gave a concession speech.

That's a bumass leader right there, showing weakness to his underlings at the slightest inconvenience. He actually straight up just quit after Luffy clowned his attack, honestly I would too. He said it himself. "What a disgrace" the issue is he should be giving orders to his underlings instead of wallowing over his failures and spreading negativity. Absolute bum of a leader. When the marines needed him most he folded, Akainu literally told everyone to calm tf down, no one is getting away. That's how a leader behaves.

 

[LayerZ]

Misery never landed a single hit on Law/Kidd btw. So not a question of endurance.

Flame Bagua just utterly shits on Misery in every department though... sheer scale, raw power, destructiveness.

Defeated in a clash by an island sized CoC KKG v. Cut by DFless Law.

Kid was touched . He dodged at first but we can see he is way more messed up when law attack her so he did got touched and only dodge the initial attack .

 

[Shiroyru]

Sengoku’s rivalry with Garp only exists because Oda has 0 intentions of ever giving him any real fights, but wanted some way to show that he was a big shot.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

I don’t even want to imagine the absurd things Nika must have done in the past for the World Government to go as far as changing the name of the Devil Fruit and spending their entire lives searching for it — a Devil Fruit that was basically stolen.

After we learned how terrifying he was to the World Government, the same guys who were once terrified of him were seriously wondering if it would be worth upsetting Kaidou just to bring Nika back. Because Kaidou… he’s the guy.

Nika himself, being the fruit's will, reacted and revived Luffy, this is the craziest part

 

[LayerZ]

Sengoku’s rivalry with Garp only exists because Oda has 0 intentions of ever giving him any real fights, but wanted some way to show that he was a big shot.

hope not man we need this legendary mythical zoan buddah in action other wise just give it to someone else like Koby .

 

[ZenZu]

Don't bully Sengoku too hard Marineford was the first large scale battle he made it to