Character Discussion Best and worst One Piece villains in your opinion?
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Arc villains: Kaido or Doffy, others like Arlong/Enel/Crocodile/Lucci/etc are too shallow in comparison. They're very different types of villains so hard to really pick for me one over the other without nitpicking. I would say Big Mom, but I think Oda over did it with the gags too much and seemed out of place during Wano. If he handled her just bit more serious, then Big Mamu easily.
Series villains: Imu as a concept is getting up there, but I'll say Gorosei as a collective group for now. If groups not allowed, then probably Teach. Though I do want to pick Imu, but not going to until I actually know how he/she looks.
Series villains: Imu as a concept is getting up there, but I'll say Gorosei as a collective group for now. If groups not allowed, then probably Teach. Though I do want to pick Imu, but not going to until I actually know how he/she looks.
Why Kaido and Imu?
Imu specifically is a shit villain so far
Anyway:
Favorite/Best: Blackbeard, Doffy, Buggy, Queen, Enel, Lucci, Crocodile, Cracker, etc.
Worst: Imu, Saturn, Vergo, Trebol, Big Mom during and after the Hunger Pangs. I'll add more later, hard to think of especially bad or just painfully plain villains.
Imu specifically is a shit villain so far
Anyway:
Favorite/Best: Blackbeard, Doffy, Buggy, Queen, Enel, Lucci, Crocodile, Cracker, etc.
Worst: Imu, Saturn, Vergo, Trebol, Big Mom during and after the Hunger Pangs. I'll add more later, hard to think of especially bad or just painfully plain villains.
He's just a plain villain. Basic design (besides the food on his face gag which is admittedly a good gag), basic fighting style, basic abilities and a basic story. He's not really compelling in any way, he's just a stoic henchman in the same way Daz Bones is. Although Daz Bones' fighting style was interesting enough to ignore that.
I never see an argument for why Vergo is a good villain outside of "But he looks so cool and tough!!", if I wanted to see people try to aura farm 24/7 I wouldn't be reading this manga. As it stands he's basically just one of those Germa meat shield soldiers Judge uses, but slightly more intelligent.
I never see an argument for why Vergo is a good villain outside of "But he looks so cool and tough!!", if I wanted to see people try to aura farm 24/7 I wouldn't be reading this manga. As it stands he's basically just one of those Germa meat shield soldiers Judge uses, but slightly more intelligent.
man really has Bergo on his mind 24/7. How does Vergo even make a list like this, he's not a major character, not even close to polarizing 😭 nor did he overstay his welcome. The PTSD is tangible...holy..
Until someone proves me wrong on the things I said about Vergo, I'm not going to take him out the list. Just like I won't take Imu out the list until someone can prove he doesn't behave just like an edgy 12 year old's OC.
Trebol isn't a major villain just like Vergo isn't, he's arguably a smaller villain as Vergo is the RHM of Doffy. My point is that you used a really bad argument to try and insult me for putting Vergo on the list.
Again either debunk what I said about Vergo just being yet another boring henchman of a villain or don't bother
Again either debunk what I said about Vergo just being yet another boring henchman of a villain or don't bother
You must be a bot. I didn't give only 1 reason, i listed 3 things in combination. Non major villain, not polarizing (hardly has a personality worth disliking), did not eat up screentime. Trebol is 2 of these, not all 3.
It's almost impossible to even think of Vergo in a worst villain list unless you have nightmares of him and can't keep him off your mind.
It's almost impossible to even think of Vergo in a worst villain list unless you have nightmares of him and can't keep him off your mind.
Kaido's purpose is a tyrannical brute who is a challenging combatant, he served his purpose greatly. His crew's structure is very clear, the rules he's established for himself as a character to live by, he lives by them. There are contradictions to his actions vs statements, that add on to his realism as a "human being". Oda's depiction of him being a monster that was a huge wall for the new gen was also displayed well. The symbolism lore of him being a Dragon pertaining to Wano's japanese culture with play on the guardian dragon turning into the tyrant, also done well. There's really nothing to hate on Kaido as a villain unless people want to do brainrot takes. He's more developed than any other arc villain not named Doflamingo. I won't ever even entertain any pre-TS villain being in these talks due to how shallow they were in comparison to Kaido and even Linlin.
Imu has the demonic final boss energy down, along with the powerful being who lets things run their course while interfering where he/she choses to. The theme around Imu is probably one of my favorites from the location settings inside the castle to the structure of the underlings and the whole power system with the Abyss. A mysterious figure who had been influencing from the shadows of the world, known only to very few. A being with so much power who essentially lives with all the flaws godlike being would, including carelessness.
Imu has the demonic final boss energy down, along with the powerful being who lets things run their course while interfering where he/she choses to. The theme around Imu is probably one of my favorites from the location settings inside the castle to the structure of the underlings and the whole power system with the Abyss. A mysterious figure who had been influencing from the shadows of the world, known only to very few. A being with so much power who essentially lives with all the flaws godlike being would, including carelessness.
Best: Sir Crocodile, Enel, Doflamingo
In that order.
Rereading the Baroque Works Saga, Sir Crocodile is such an overwhelming presence both physically and intellectually. He had multiple contingencies in place to reinforce his plan of taking over the nation, even if he himself were to be defeated.
Enel's just a very fun villain who's delightfully consistent in being a narcissistic menace. He's got a few really hard lines as well, "Fear is God", and in general was maybe Oda's most fucked villain until we got Imu and the Gorosei.
Doflamingo suffers from being a post timeskip villain where plot holes are more apparent, pacing is worse and the Straw Hats are background characters. Despite this he's one of Oda's best written villains, character wise, while also doing a very good job of actively antagonizing the entire cast. He legitimately cast a wider shadow over Dressrosa, chapter to chapter, than Kaido did in Onigashima. You felt Doflamingo's presence and threat whereas Oda could not convince me for a second Kaido was going to kill anyone.
Worst: Orochi, Big Mom, Katakuri
What an utter waste of a character, a position, a name. Everyone on Oro Jackson was hyped as shit when we heard the Shogun's name was Orochi. We all knew that meant someone badass, a powerful samurai for Zoro to fight. Instead we get a really lame, milquetoast antagonist who's the worst of Spandem with none of the enjoyable karma.
He overstayed his time in the manga by about 50 chapters and genuinely contributed nothing to the manga besides a cheap excuse for Kaido to be in Wano and coexisting with Oden.
In that order.
Rereading the Baroque Works Saga, Sir Crocodile is such an overwhelming presence both physically and intellectually. He had multiple contingencies in place to reinforce his plan of taking over the nation, even if he himself were to be defeated.
Enel's just a very fun villain who's delightfully consistent in being a narcissistic menace. He's got a few really hard lines as well, "Fear is God", and in general was maybe Oda's most fucked villain until we got Imu and the Gorosei.
Doflamingo suffers from being a post timeskip villain where plot holes are more apparent, pacing is worse and the Straw Hats are background characters. Despite this he's one of Oda's best written villains, character wise, while also doing a very good job of actively antagonizing the entire cast. He legitimately cast a wider shadow over Dressrosa, chapter to chapter, than Kaido did in Onigashima. You felt Doflamingo's presence and threat whereas Oda could not convince me for a second Kaido was going to kill anyone.
Worst: Orochi, Big Mom, Katakuri
What an utter waste of a character, a position, a name. Everyone on Oro Jackson was hyped as shit when we heard the Shogun's name was Orochi. We all knew that meant someone badass, a powerful samurai for Zoro to fight. Instead we get a really lame, milquetoast antagonist who's the worst of Spandem with none of the enjoyable karma.
He overstayed his time in the manga by about 50 chapters and genuinely contributed nothing to the manga besides a cheap excuse for Kaido to be in Wano and coexisting with Oden.
I understand all that, but I think the problem with Kaido is that Oda's given subtle hints on him being a deeper character than he leads on throughout the story. Things like him constantly wanting to die, being a huge alcoholic, talking about pirates betraying you when you're on the verge of losing, etc.
He has a few things that were just not resolved by Oda for some reason and I find that very weird.
Imu just feels a little uninspired to me. I like some of the Gorosei and Holy Knights, but Imu himself feels boring as of now. Feels like Oda tries too hard to make him cool and mysterious. Even when he got jumped by 6 top tiers, nothing happened and he just easily converted Xebec into a demon without any trouble and made him do his bidding for him. Not to mention he's still the same silhouette he's been since his introduction.
He clearly doesn't do this trope very well as basically nobody ever cares to talk about or remember him outside of this forum (and even in this forum he only has like 5 people who are big fans of him). Can't say he's left an impression by being a straightforward, hard hitting villain if nobody cares to remember him most of the time.
Not to mention he only has three fights, two of which are against handicapped opponents, the other being an immediate one shot stomp. Compare him to other characters of his archetype like Daz who at least gave Zoro a really hard time and forced him to unlock ACoA to win, and it's apparent how bad he is at his job. All he had to do is be menacing and beat the shit out of people and he didn't even do that right. It's sad to think about it, but I don't blame him for it. It's just the way Oda is nowadays.
He did a similar thing with Jack and Smoothie (Smoothie especially, she might be worse than even Vergo). He just doesn't care for his side villains as much as he did before.
He has a few things that were just not resolved by Oda for some reason and I find that very weird.
Imu just feels a little uninspired to me. I like some of the Gorosei and Holy Knights, but Imu himself feels boring as of now. Feels like Oda tries too hard to make him cool and mysterious. Even when he got jumped by 6 top tiers, nothing happened and he just easily converted Xebec into a demon without any trouble and made him do his bidding for him. Not to mention he's still the same silhouette he's been since his introduction.
He clearly doesn't do this trope very well as basically nobody ever cares to talk about or remember him outside of this forum (and even in this forum he only has like 5 people who are big fans of him). Can't say he's left an impression by being a straightforward, hard hitting villain if nobody cares to remember him most of the time.
Not to mention he only has three fights, two of which are against handicapped opponents, the other being an immediate one shot stomp. Compare him to other characters of his archetype like Daz who at least gave Zoro a really hard time and forced him to unlock ACoA to win, and it's apparent how bad he is at his job. All he had to do is be menacing and beat the shit out of people and he didn't even do that right. It's sad to think about it, but I don't blame him for it. It's just the way Oda is nowadays.
He did a similar thing with Jack and Smoothie (Smoothie especially, she might be worse than even Vergo). He just doesn't care for his side villains as much as he did before.