Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

The only hope for any of these is he shows them as old men who had their dreams ruined (except John and Gansui if he shows their deaths). We know Ochoku at least was active until 2 years ago when Teach uprooted him from Pirate Island during Rocky Port.

Silver Axe is funny. To be the rival of Shiki but then to really do nothing with either is odd lol. I guess we'll see if Oda has plans for them.
I hope so, but we can keep our expectations low for them, since even if they end up achieving something, they won’t do anything grand enough to be considered great pirates like the Yonkous.
We could say their influence was like Rayleigh and Gabam (before Roger became PK) — that’s their ceiling.
 
That would contradict Chapter 0. Harald dies 14 years ago but even if you dont use Strong World as canon, that chapter ends with Shiki staying on his animal island for 20 years.
At this point, I don't think Oda really cares for Shiki anymore to be a important character in the main story.

Imo Shiki either retired as a pirate and is living peacefully somewhere, or he is dead.

Who knows maybe at some point he fought against Shanks and then Shanks killed him.
 
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