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Frankly we dont know how any character is warranted any arc.
But no i disagree, and I dont think the current marines as it stands will exist when Imu is fought. Akainu murdered Ace and is objectively hyped by Oda. I believe when the Yonko fight over the 4th RP, the marines will also intervene. So when Shanks vs Blackbeard occurs, there is a chance Akainu and Luffy fight.
I do not personally think the Final War is one big war in one location. It starts with the war for the 4th Poneglyph, then a fight for Pirate King. Then a fight against Imu and the WG. That altogether is the final war across multiple locations, hence my point about Akainu
But no i disagree, and I dont think the current marines as it stands will exist when Imu is fought. Akainu murdered Ace and is objectively hyped by Oda. I believe when the Yonko fight over the 4th RP, the marines will also intervene. So when Shanks vs Blackbeard occurs, there is a chance Akainu and Luffy fight.
I do not personally think the Final War is one big war in one location. It starts with the war for the 4th Poneglyph, then a fight for Pirate King. Then a fight against Imu and the WG. That altogether is the final war across multiple locations, hence my point about Akainu
The way I took that spread was that anyone after that point is a contender for One Piece, it doesnt mean that nobody falls before that point. Its has the same energy as this conversation with Doflamingo
And when you look at this:
- Kaido and Big Mom were overthrown
- Every Shichibukai and Supernova is out of the running, except Buggy lol
- Kizaru effectively is no longer an antagonist.
And I can tell you that being part of weekly discussions around this time people even assumed fighting Kaido would have us either very close or at the absolute end of the series due to his title and what this dialogue meant from Doflamingo, in that this was assumed to be "one" battle for power and thats it.
And we only know now that while a lot of characters are removed from the running here, many more still exist and that was the point of Vegapunk's dialogue.
To me Shamrock could easily be the "first" to lose on that spread, someone will eventually have to be. His father and brother still exist with their own storylines going forward if it happens.
And when you look at this:
- Kaido and Big Mom were overthrown
- Every Shichibukai and Supernova is out of the running, except Buggy lol
- Kizaru effectively is no longer an antagonist.
And I can tell you that being part of weekly discussions around this time people even assumed fighting Kaido would have us either very close or at the absolute end of the series due to his title and what this dialogue meant from Doflamingo, in that this was assumed to be "one" battle for power and thats it.
And we only know now that while a lot of characters are removed from the running here, many more still exist and that was the point of Vegapunk's dialogue.
To me Shamrock could easily be the "first" to lose on that spread, someone will eventually have to be. His father and brother still exist with their own storylines going forward if it happens.
I absolutely do not agree on this and idk when people started interpreting things this way. He literally kills Luffy's brother and is the only person on the planet that has scarred him. He is the head of a force hellbent on eliminating piracy. Like, Oda changed the design of his MC BECAUSE of Akainu lol
I argue the reason Kizaru was only a secondary antagonist is the same reason Big Mom is only a secondary antagonist in Wano. Luffy already fought Katakuri, he "surpassed" BMs crew in Oda's eyes. On the flipside, he does not surpass the Marines or WG in Egghead, because Akainu and his faction still are virtually untouched and are still a problem for the MC
I argue the reason Kizaru was only a secondary antagonist is the same reason Big Mom is only a secondary antagonist in Wano. Luffy already fought Katakuri, he "surpassed" BMs crew in Oda's eyes. On the flipside, he does not surpass the Marines or WG in Egghead, because Akainu and his faction still are virtually untouched and are still a problem for the MC
The way I took that spread was that anyone after that point is a contender for One Piece, it doesnt mean that nobody falls before that point. Its has the same energy as this conversation with Doflamingo
And when you look at this:
- Kaido and Big Mom were overthrown
- Every Shichibukai and Supernova is out of the running, except Buggy lol
- Kizaru effectively is no longer an antagonist.
And I can tell you that being part of weekly discussions around this time people even assumed fighting Kaido would have us either very close or at the absolute end of the series due to his title and what this dialogue meant from Doflamingo, in that this was assumed to be "one" battle for power and thats it.
And we only know now that while a lot of characters are removed from the running here, many more still exist and that was the point of Vegapunk's dialogue.
To me Shamrock could easily be the "first" to lose on that spread, someone will eventually have to be. His father and brother still exist with their own storylines going forward if it happens.
And when you look at this:
- Kaido and Big Mom were overthrown
- Every Shichibukai and Supernova is out of the running, except Buggy lol
- Kizaru effectively is no longer an antagonist.
And I can tell you that being part of weekly discussions around this time people even assumed fighting Kaido would have us either very close or at the absolute end of the series due to his title and what this dialogue meant from Doflamingo, in that this was assumed to be "one" battle for power and thats it.
And we only know now that while a lot of characters are removed from the running here, many more still exist and that was the point of Vegapunk's dialogue.
To me Shamrock could easily be the "first" to lose on that spread, someone will eventually have to be. His father and brother still exist with their own storylines going forward if it happens.
Doffy's speech highlights the factions that will take part in the war. They're still roughly the same with the addition of the Holy Knights.
-Yonko still exist with 2 new additions from Shichibukai and Worst Generation.
-Shichibukai disbanded but Cross Guild formed and became part of the Yonko faction.
-Most of the Worstgen was trimmed, and now Luffy is part of the yonko.
-Marines are still in it, even if Kizaru isn't gonna fight the Strawhats.
-Revolutionary army is still in it.
I also think Shamrock and Shanks will be like the two wolves form Norse mythology that chase the Sun/Moon in Ragnarok. I don't need to tell you who the Sun and Moon will be.
I expect the twins to fall at the same time.
Literally what did I say that was so ridiculous to you lol, everything I said is true. Akainu scarred Luffy and killed Ace. That is by far the most devastating thing he has experienced thus far in the story. Am I wrong on this?
All quite literally headcanon. Oda doesnt fall into nonsense powerscaling that all of you guys clown yourselves with.
We are two arcs out from Kaido, a character I know you glaze, and its not like Admirals, 1 Gorosei or a God Knight are scaled up immensely from that character.
Everyone is a different threat to Luffy in their own way. Acting like Luffy "needs" to fight someone stronger than the last villain and not just commensurate is BS when you know Enel would have rocked any pre-TS enemy that isnt made of rubber.
Its funny to me you make exception for someone you intend to glaze further (Shamrock) but this shit doesnt fly with Akainu for some reason lol. We cant even properly relate his character to anyone Luffy has defeated yet.
Im not sure I get your point. Vegapunk doesnt name anyone specific either lol. The point I was making to you is that even though these characters are referenced, it did not stop Oda from making many of them drop out of the race sequentially.
There is no feasibility where everyone on that spread loses at the exact same time, someone WILL lose first. Thats my point.
You can believe what you want on when Shamrock or Akainu or anyone loses, I just dont agree personally on how its going down.
All quite literally headcanon. Oda doesnt fall into nonsense powerscaling that all of you guys clown yourselves with.
We are two arcs out from Kaido, a character I know you glaze, and its not like Admirals, 1 Gorosei or a God Knight are scaled up immensely from that character.
Everyone is a different threat to Luffy in their own way. Acting like Luffy "needs" to fight someone stronger than the last villain and not just commensurate is BS when you know Enel would have rocked any pre-TS enemy that isnt made of rubber.
Its funny to me you make exception for someone you intend to glaze further (Shamrock) but this shit doesnt fly with Akainu for some reason lol. We cant even properly relate his character to anyone Luffy has defeated yet.
Im not sure I get your point. Vegapunk doesnt name anyone specific either lol. The point I was making to you is that even though these characters are referenced, it did not stop Oda from making many of them drop out of the race sequentially.
There is no feasibility where everyone on that spread loses at the exact same time, someone WILL lose first. Thats my point.
You can believe what you want on when Shamrock or Akainu or anyone loses, I just dont agree personally on how its going down.
Of course they're not all falling in the same moment, that's silly 
Its not Vegapunk naming anyone, its Oda who drew those characters there.
I don't disagree that Shamrock may be one of the first to drop out. My point is that Elbaf will be too early for any of the contenders to fall.
If the final war is a big battle royale, Oda cannot eliminate big players at this moment.
Its not Vegapunk naming anyone, its Oda who drew those characters there.
I don't disagree that Shamrock may be one of the first to drop out. My point is that Elbaf will be too early for any of the contenders to fall.
If the final war is a big battle royale, Oda cannot eliminate big players at this moment.
You literally do not "know" what he is or isnt against Akainu lmao. You have zero justification outside of literal headcanon powerscaling to determine it. For the same reason you argue the exact opposite for Shamrock, a character who I agree will fight Luffy.
Maybe instead of powerscaling, look at character importantance to the story and what they represent to Luffy.
Shamrock didnt actually exist before Elbaf though lol (as a character with a title card, i dont mean conceptually), we lose nothing from him losing here just like we lost nothing from Enel or Moria or Lucci, or Katakuri losing in the same arc they were introduced.
And while I agree with the war minsdset, I dont agree Luffy can fight nor focus on one person at a time, nor can Oda. Marineford works because Luffy fights no one and loses every encounter he was in. It was a showcase. The final war wont be like this. It has to END things. I just think the scale of said war is bigger than one event or island. Some or certain Knights of God falling in Elbaf as trigger for said war to me does not sound like a bad play.
But we are getting off subject. If Shamrock doesnt lose here, then like you say its just yet another cog in the machine Oda has yet to resolve, which just makes the ending longer anyway. I pitch Shamrock in Elbaf because it closes arc ties he has with Elbaf already, and its one less character for us to think about
Maybe instead of powerscaling, look at character importantance to the story and what they represent to Luffy.
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Of course they're not all falling in the same moment, that's silly
Its not Vegapunk naming anyone, its Oda who drew those characters there.
I don't disagree that Shamrock may be one of the first to drop out. My point is that Elbaf will be too early for any of the contenders to fall.
If the final war is a big battle royale, Oda cannot eliminate big players at this moment.
Its not Vegapunk naming anyone, its Oda who drew those characters there.
I don't disagree that Shamrock may be one of the first to drop out. My point is that Elbaf will be too early for any of the contenders to fall.
If the final war is a big battle royale, Oda cannot eliminate big players at this moment.
And while I agree with the war minsdset, I dont agree Luffy can fight nor focus on one person at a time, nor can Oda. Marineford works because Luffy fights no one and loses every encounter he was in. It was a showcase. The final war wont be like this. It has to END things. I just think the scale of said war is bigger than one event or island. Some or certain Knights of God falling in Elbaf as trigger for said war to me does not sound like a bad play.
But we are getting off subject. If Shamrock doesnt lose here, then like you say its just yet another cog in the machine Oda has yet to resolve, which just makes the ending longer anyway. I pitch Shamrock in Elbaf because it closes arc ties he has with Elbaf already, and its one less character for us to think about
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You still don't seem to grasp that powerscaling is also a narrative tool. If Luffy has beaten too many similar level opponents, the "threat" level won't be as high. The tension won't be as high.
When Luffy fought an Admiral in Egghead, the tension was basically 0. It was just a goofball fight. After showing Imu and DR Rocks, the bar has been set much higher. Even if Shamrock is involved, Imu will be there in the sidelines to spice up the battle.
When Luffy fought an Admiral in Egghead, the tension was basically 0. It was just a goofball fight. After showing Imu and DR Rocks, the bar has been set much higher. Even if Shamrock is involved, Imu will be there in the sidelines to spice up the battle.
Luffy fought an Admiral on Egghead that did not want to fight him and even helped him, you know this lol
Powerscaling does not work in this manga. Thats why all of you argue incessantly over it for years and reach zero conclusions on it because Oda constantly contradicts how he presents certain characters when they become relevant in the story.
Again, the bias against Akainu is hilarious lmao
Powerscaling does not work in this manga. Thats why all of you argue incessantly over it for years and reach zero conclusions on it because Oda constantly contradicts how he presents certain characters when they become relevant in the story.
Again, the bias against Akainu is hilarious lmao
