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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
If the RA, who are directly opposing the WG out in the open
The Revolutionary do not oppose the WG in the open, they operate from the shadows and are constantly hiding their activities and location from the WG. Elbaph obviously doesn’t have this option as they are a nation fixed to one specific location and can’t just abandon their home on a whim lmfao.

And again I must stress, Harald doesn’t want to exist the way the RA does, if he does he could just declare Elbaph an isolationist nation like Wano but again, this is not what Harald wants for the giants. He wants coexistence, not separation.

then Elbaf wouldn't have been either for simply sticking to diplomatic deals with the human nations surrounding them.
The WG would not have allowed this, and you are intentionally ignoring this point because it debunks your entire argument lmfao.
 
WCI has been raised by Kuzan, by Luffy, and by Kid, in this reverse order. It has nothing to do with the WG, but with piracy. Maintaining an Elbaf + affiliated nations in the WCI style could've been attainable without alienating either side of the giant population: you let the proud warriors like Loki have a role as defenders, and help the new generations who want an education and a peaceful life choose that.
But the point is Harald wants his people to live in absolute peace. He doesn’t want them to worry about pirates attacking his home. He doesn’t want to worry about marines stopping his diplomacy, he doesn’t want his country to be isolated anymore. The literally only way to accomplish this dream is to Join the WG.
 
The Revolutionary do not oppose the WG in the open, they operate from the shadows and are constantly hiding their activities and location from the WG. Elbaph obviously doesn’t have this option as they are a nation fixed to one specific location and can’t just abandon their home on a whim lmfao.

And again I must stress, Harald doesn’t want to exist the way the RA does, if he does he could just declare Elbaph an isolationist nation like Wano but again, this is not what Harald wants for the giants. He wants coexistence, not separation.



The WG would not have allowed this, and you are intentionally ignoring this point because it debunks your entire argument lmfao.
Had he wanted to oppose the WG he could've easily been a Yonko
 
The Revolutionary do not oppose the WG in the open, they operate from the shadows and are constantly hiding their activities and location from the WG.

you are intentionally ignoring this point because it debunks your entire argument lmfao.
Lee, come the fuck on.
The 8 countries of the RA's self-titled 8-Nation Revolution are known locations.
Again, I'm not advocating for Elbaf to be against the WG. What I'm saying is, if those who are against the WG are still standing, then Elbaf could've had more than a chance to accomplish a diplomatic network in the style of a Yonko's territory. Not as Wano's isolationism, but like what BM and WB did.

Other points regarding this I've gone over in previous posts and won't repeat.

The meme was a fucking meme. But to go all mighty thinking that Harald chose the best route even with his limited knowledge is more than naive.
 
But the point is Harald wants his people to live in absolute peace. He doesn’t want them to worry about pirates attacking his home.
And at the same time, he can't decide for each and every giant. There are those, like Loki, who are proud about their heritage and want to continue to be warriors. It is equally naive to want a whole country of pacifists when a portion of the population desires otherwise.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

Whacky Arm Waving Inflatable Imu-chan
I think Oda is hiding the heaven part of Elbaf

I think something there
Heaven World is also referred to as Astral World.

The Fabiophase of Egghead was modelled after the Ancient Kingdom, and was full of Holograms.

The "Gods" of Elbaph are real, and are remnants/descendants of Giants that survived the Void Century war by sealing themselves in Heaven/Astral World, by protecting themselves with Ancient Tech, full of Holograms and advanced weapons. Maybe Lunarians, too.

Like a knock off Valhalla (I do believe Valhalla is a real place in the One Piece afterlife, tho).

I also think the Underworld is full of Ancient Tech under the ice. Baldimore was a Winter Island, and Franky found Vegapunk's secret lab under the ice after he blew up the first one. Punk Hazard had the frozen Galley Ra Giants to begin with, and then half of it became frozen. Egghead was a winter Island before Vegapunk's Air Conditioning. Oda is very consistent with ice/Winter Islands hiding Ancient Tech.

I believe the Underworld of Elbaph was formed during the Void Century, with the ice coming from flooding, then freezing during the sun being blotted out from cloud coverage/ash. So, a lot of tech should still be under there, ancient Elbaph labs... And there's a guy on Elbaph, whose Fruit lets him naturally sense metal/electromagnetic energy

:kidsmile:

Kidd will get his tech/knowledge boost from a lab under the ice, same way Franky did.

The flooding/rain prevented the Adam Tree from dying in fire during the Void Century war, but, Elbaph's people needed to hide away from the WG/Imu. Where do you go when it's flooding?



The "Gods" of Elbaph, are overpowered Giants/other races from the Void Century that rule the Heavens World. These are the "Evil Giants" Luffy will face: if they digitized themselves/became Holograms, like the monsters in the Fabiophase on Egghead, it's entirely possible that beings FROM the Void Century still live up there, and survived by turning themselves into "data". Like how Lilith wants to restore the Stella with a Stella-Clone and Punk Records.

I believe Zunesha and Pluton also have Void Century Remnants in them, but those should be allies.

The "Gods of Elbaph" are real, from the Void Century/know of it, and are in the Astral/Heaven World. My only question is, did they betray Elbaph itself? When the flooding started, did the "Elite" of Elbaph, decide to let the "lesser Giants" (Ida foreshadowing) and "lesser races" (Rodo and Loki racism foreshadowing) drown, while they used the Ancient Tech in Heaven World to keep themselves safe?

Oda is remarkably consistent with the bad guy being at "the top": Arlong Park, with Arlong losing at the top of the building: Alabasta, with the bomb being in the clock tower, and the final fight being in Alubarna, a raised city; Enel being a God in "Upper Yard", and seeking "Fairy Vearth", the Moon above the Blue Planet; Enies Lobby's Tower of Justice; Moria's Castle; Marineford and Ace's execution stand; Dressrosa and Doffy's castle/defeat in the air; the Tea Party at the top of Whole Cake; Onigashima FLOATING IN THE FUCKING AIR; Punk Records with York/Mars; and the worst of the worst, the Celestial Dragons.

The real evil in Elbaph is at the top, in Heaven's World. There be Aryan Ass Giants up there, I'm calling it. I'm wondering if Imu directly invading their territory, might be even for Heaven World to intervene... I think Shanks/Kidd showing up to help is much more likely, though. I think Loki asked Kidd to explore the Underworld's labs (Loki should know about them due to his CoO, but can't interact with them due to size/ice/imprisonment).

Kuzan in theory could thaw the Underworld, too.
 
And at the same time, he can't decide for each and every giant. There are those, like Loki, who are proud about their heritage and want to continue to be warriors. It is equally naive to want a whole country of pacifists when a portion of the population desires otherwise.
Hes the king of Elbaf, his job is to create laws and enforce them for the people of Elbaf. If he wants to outlaw pillaging, that’s his right.

And his dream is working, most of the next generation of Elbaf don’t want to fight and colon is treated like the weird one for wanting to.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
The 8 countries of the RA's self-titled 8-Nation Revolution are known locations.
How long do you think those nations are going to exist for dude? The WG already completely obliterated one of them, how long do you think the rest even have before the WG destroys them in one form or another?

And again I ask you, what exact future do you think Harald wants for the children of Elbaph? Lol

Again, I'm not advocating for Elbaf to be against the WG. What I'm saying is, if those who are against the WG are still standing, then Elbaf could've had more than a chance to accomplish a diplomatic network in the style of a Yonko's territory.
I mean you brought up the Revolutionary Army as what Elbaph could aspire to be, and the Revolutionary Army are the biggest explicit enemies of the WG
:suresure:

But anyway, the problem with Elbaph aspiring to be like the Yonko is again that this is not what Harald wants. He doesn’t want the giants to be a tyrannical Empire who oppresses humans and rules through violence or threat of violence, he wants a peaceful future for the Giants where they coexist with humans in harmony.

Even Whitebeard, the most peaceful Yonko, was constantly watched and spied on by the WG, and the WG didn’t hesitate to sentence one of Whitebeard’s children to death, fight war with Whitebeard which resulted in Whitebeard’s death and the eventual complete eradication of his crew.

Again you are being short-sighted as hell, the Whitebeard Pirates experienced a few decades of uneasy peace with the WG before ultimately going to war with them, losing, and later being completely eradicated as a direct result.

Harald didn’t just want an uneasy peace with the WG during his lifetime and his lifetime alone, he wanted a permanent peace which would have long outlived him. Harald didn’t want the Giants to be eradicated eventually, he was trying to achieve a peace which transcended his lifetime or the lifetime of any king.

Y’all need more foresight lmfao.
 
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