Character Discussion More evidence for Sommers killing Kuma (SKK)

[milluki]

Was just browsing the one piece wiki and found something:

Sommers shares his surname with the English privateer George Somers, who was also a knight and considered a naval hero for his colonization efforts.

• He also shares a surname with Martin Sommer, an infamous Nazi war criminal known for his brutality and sadism.

It is an interesting point. Though it has to be pointed out that Sommer is a widespread surname. This might just be concidence, but it is too fitting to ignore.

Sommer, known as the "Hangman of Buchenwald", was considered a depraved sadist who reportedly ordered two Austrian priests, Otto Neururer and Matthias Spanlang, to be crucified upside-down

He crucified priests!!! Kuma is a priest. Sommers has thorn powers (Jesus was of course crowned with a crown of thorns)...

 

[Juanpiz]

Its Summers Not Sommer lol

 

[milluki]

Its Summers Not Sommer lol

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[Juanpiz]

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The German historical dude is named Sommer and the Holy Knight is Summers

 

[milluki]

The German historical dude is named Sommer and the Holy Knight is Summers

some fan translations may call him summers, the offical english translation is sommers

 

[Juanpiz]

some fan translations may call him summers, the offical english translation is sommers

Still coincidence and far stretched connection

 

[moreha9685]

- it is Sommers, with both the "o" instead of "u" and the final "s";
- there is no parallel with the historical namesake;
- Kuma isn't dying.

 

[Ricassian]

If anything, a valid argument for theorizing Sommers killing Kuma could be the forbidden pleasure Sommers feels when causing harm/death inside family circles, which is his most distinctive trait.

That said, I don't think Kuma will die since he survived Egghead.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Was just browsing the one piece wiki and found something:

It is an interesting point. Though it has to be pointed out that Sommer is a widespread surname. This might just be concidence, but it is too fitting to ignore.

He crucified priests!!! Kuma is a priest. Sommers has thorn powers (Jesus was of course crowned with a crown of thorns)...

George is Urouge

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If Sommers kills Kuma he’s undeniably Oda’s greatest villain

 

[milluki]

- it is Sommers, with both the "o" instead of "u" and the final "s";
- there is no parallel with the historical namesake;
- Kuma isn't dying.

thanks for educating me. i guess bonney is not named after ann bonny after all, as there is an e missing. you should bring this to the attention of the moron who made the connection (oda).

no parallel? name almost the same, both sadistic, both follow immoral orders with glee, one crucified people and the other has a cross on his beard.

not dying? kuma was already supposed to be braindead. he got a magma fist into the face, saturn pierced his upper body and now he sits somewhere (still injured) helplessly unmoving while satan himself, alongside giant materialized dreams, is running amok. sommers talked about killing parents while the children watch, he done so on god valley. now bonney finally reunited with her father, so she could be a witness to his death. she already freaked out when luffy punched a pacifista on egghead.

George is Urouge

there is a jorge/joruji/george
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Jorge

 

[nik87]

I do expect Kuma's death to be near and you could be right with this.

 

[moreha9685]

kuma was already supposed to be braindead. he got a magma fist into the face, saturn pierced his upper body and now he sits somewhere (still injured)

Exactly. He survived everything and more. The perfect moment for his death was in Egghead, after saving his daughter from Saturn and after witnessing the actual Nika having finally been incarnated. That was the moment to write him off. But Oda chose not to, to give Bonney a "happy future" (in line with her DF). Which gets us to the current storyline, where VP has vented, quite optimistically, the possibility of fixing Kuma for good.

How much clearer do you need it spelled out?
Kuma's belief in Nika allowed him to save his daughter (and all the people in GV).
Bonney's belief in Nika (and Luffy's advice) allowed her to become Nika and save her dad.

Kuma.
Ain't.
Dying.
Chump.

 

[TheD.]

Sommers is gonna be the first holy knight shown actually dying

 

[milluki]

Exactly. He survived everything and more. The perfect moment for his death was in Egghead, after saving his daughter from Saturn and after witnessing the actual Nika having finally been incarnated. That was the moment to write him off. But Oda chose not to, to give Bonney a "happy future" (in line with her DF). Which gets us to the current storyline, where VP has vented, quite optimistically, the possibility of fixing Kuma for good.

How much clearer do you need it spelled out?
Kuma's belief in Nika allowed him to save his daughter (and all the people in GV).
Bonney's belief in Nika (and Luffy's advice) allowed her to become Nika and save her dad.

Kuma.
Ain't.
Dying.
Chump.

I suppose, when you were at around chapter 572, you were also sure that Ace wouldn't die. He survived execution attempts. Crocodile killed the executioners. Luffy shielded him from Sengoku's punch. Galdino made a key duplicate, they got him out and ran to the ships. Kuzan confronted Ace, but his ice was easily melted. If Oda had wanted him dead, surely he would have killed him on the scaffold platform. Why would he make him survive all this, make it seem as if Ace was save, just to kill him anyway? Over a childish taunt from Akainu?

 

[moreha9685]

I suppose, when you were at around chapter 572, you were also sure that Ace wouldn't die. He survived execution attempts. Crocodile killed the executioners. Luffy shielded him from Sengoku's punch. Galdino made a key duplicate, they got him out and ran to the ships. Kuzan confronted Ace, but his ice was easily melted. If Oda had wanted him dead, surely he would have killed him on the scaffold platform. Why would he make him survive all this, make it seem as if Ace was save, just to kill him anyway? Over a childish taunt from Akainu?

Ace's death was necessary for Luffy to mature and grow as resolute and strong as possible to no longer lose any loved ones in the future.

What lesson is Kuma's death teaching Bonney?
She already knows that the world is harsh. Her mother's fate is proof of that. Her childhood and CD experimentation are proof of that. Kuma's servitude to the WG and the PXs themselves are proof of that.
Kuma surviving because Nika is real was what changed Bonney's outlook on life. What does killing her dad accomplish now? If not even the deity of her father's murdered clan can bring a bit of hope in the world, what's the message here exactly?

 

[milluki]

Ace's death was necessary for Luffy to mature and grow as resolute and strong as possible to no longer lose any loved ones in the future.

What lesson is Kuma's death teaching Bonney?
She already knows that the world is harsh. Her mother's fate is proof of that. Her childhood and CD experimentation are proof of that. Kuma's servitude to the WG and the PXs themselves are proof of that.
Kuma surviving because Nika is real was what changed Bonney's outlook on life. What does killing her dad accomplish now? If not even the deity of her father's murdered clan can bring a bit of hope in the world, what's the message here exactly?

Bellmere chose to die rather than to deny being the mother of Nami and Nojiko. They were not related by blood. Sommers talked about killing parents, who try to get the thorns off their children. If Kuma dies, trying to remove the thorns from Bonney, it would be another testament to his fatherhood, even though they are not genetically related.

Furthermore, Dragon told Kuma that a child is a parent's weakness, when Kuma found Luffy. Kuma should have listened. He didn't keep his daughter hidden from the government and was blackmailed. "Deadbeat" Dragon had warned him in a way.

Lastly, the Goroawase of the Pawfruit suggests that it will find its way into the Strawhat crew, and I doubt that Kuma will join. A Strawhat will eat it (Usopp).

 

[moreha9685]

Furthermore, Dragon told Kuma that a child is a parent's weakness, when Kuma found Luffy. Kuma should have listened. He didn't keep his daughter hidden from the government and was blackmailed.

She. Is. Safe. Now.

 

[Juanpiz]

Ace's death was necessary for Luffy to mature and grow as resolute and strong as possible to no longer lose any loved ones in the future.

What lesson is Kuma's death teaching Bonney?
She already knows that the world is harsh. Her mother's fate is proof of that. Her childhood and CD experimentation are proof of that. Kuma's servitude to the WG and the PXs themselves are proof of that.
Kuma surviving because Nika is real was what changed Bonney's outlook on life. What does killing her dad accomplish now? If not even the deity of her father's murdered clan can bring a bit of hope in the world, what's the message here exactly?

Yeah about the maturing Part..

 

[moreha9685]

Yeah about the maturing Part..

I mean, he was quite mature up until the Nika intrusion.