I'm very clearly talking from a moral standpoint anyway. I don't view them as "humans" from a morals standpoint.
I said that in the same message you quoted, so I don't know why you ignore it.
I don’t know what that is supposed to mean

these people could have acted otherwise, they just chose not to. That’s why we view their actions as acts of evil and not a force of nature like a wild animal attack.
 
Because you're telling me that I HAVE to kill someone in order to save THE ENTIRE WORLD. Of course I would kill one person to save the entire world!
You never make any sense. You just want to seem like you're making sense.
Killing one person to save billion, is still killing one person, it's a morally ambiguous choice. It's the point of the trolley problem, there is no good or bad option. The point is to show you that people who kill, no matter the reason, are on the same violence scale as all of us.

Killing is the action, the context is everything else, from education, to situational datas. Thus, trying to exclude these people from the human scale has only one result: It will make you oblivious to the contextual reasons that push these people to act the way they do

would you still consider it "illegally occupied"?
Yes.


these people could have acted otherwise, they just chose not to. That’s why we view their actions as acts of evil and not a force of nature like a wild animal attack.
Ok so let me give you an analogy:

Can you magically speak Chinese if the only thing you learned or heard in your life is English?


I don't think war was ever portrayed as a good/neutral thing though
Anti-war movies are extremely rare.

 
Hm... yes it is..
Saying that you would bite the bullet and kill the person isn't saying you'd ENJOY it. It's just that you HAVE to do that in order to save the world.
Which mean dehumanizing the person enough so that we consider that their sacrifice is worth more than their life.

This is also a case where we see the lives of people as additive. Meaning that two people worth more than one. This can lead to some pretty fucked up shit.

Personnally, I would not be able to make that choice unless there is someone who count more than anything else in the other Billion. I absolutely refuse to put the live of a billion person against one on a balance. I consider - personnally - this act as non ethical.

Now.. if someone in the bunch are my loved one.. my choice would become irrational.
 
Hm... yes it is..

Which mean dehumanizing the person enough so that we consider that their sacrifice is worth more than their life.

This is also a case where we see the lives of people as additive. Meaning that two people worth more than one. This can lead to some pretty fucked up shit.

Personnally, I would not be able to make that choice unless there is someone who count more than anything else in the other Billion. I absolutely refuse to put the live of a billion person against one on a balance. I consider - personnally - this act as non ethical.
You realize one option leads to the extinction of an entire species, right?
 

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if israel shrinks down to only the areas from the initial UN plan, would you still consider it "illegally occupied"?

or are you specifically talking about occupation in gaza/west bank?
In my mind, a colony is a colony no matter how you slice it up…even if Israel agreed to cede the West Bank, there’s enough evidence to conclude that a two-state solution simply won’t work in the long run. Obviously, at my core, I don’t WANT my people to always be nomads, but we’ve just taken over previously established land for 80 years, they can’t reasonably sell a sob story about needing a consistent base while driving out the natives :sanmoji:
 
Yup. The extinction of a specie is not worth taking the life of one person. That's my vision of life. I refuse to put human lives on a balance.

But I'm not excluding some irrationnal choices along the lines made out of anger, or love.
When I say this I promise you I do not mean to hurt your feelings. I'm only telling you the truth and nothing but the truth.
You are genuinely one of the stupidest people I have ever met in my life, and I mean that with my whole heart. You are so painfully stupid it actually surprises me.
 
Yup. The extinction of a specie is not worth taking the life of one person. That's my vision of life. I refuse to put human lives on a balance.

But I'm not excluding some irrationnal choices along the lines made out of anger, or love.
I think an unpleasant fact of life is that such decisions do need to be made.

you’re French, right? Imagine what would have happened if you let the Germans conquer your country in World War II.

not all those German soldiers were Nazis, not all of them were bad people. Many of them were just ordinary folks roped into a war by a corrupt and evil government.

but your ancestors still needed to kill those men for you to have the freedoms you currently have.
 
In my mind, a colony is a colony no matter how you slice it up…even if Israel agreed to cede the West Bank, there’s enough evidence to conclude that a two-state solution simply won’t work in the long run. Obviously, at my core, I don’t WANT my people to always be nomads, but we’ve just taken over previously established land for 80 years, they can’t reasonably sell a sob story about needing a consistent base while driving out the natives :sanmoji:
i would totally agree with this if the area wouldnt previously have been "the british mandate of palestine" with, towards its end, a very clear goal to make it a safe haven for jews, who initialy accepted a two state solution, with palestinians and basically all surrounding countries waging war on them one day after forming.
 
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