Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1169: I HAVE TO DIE NOW!

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#24
simple " the voice of the great one " reaches you ? so does his power the only somewhat reasonable explanation...meaning if shanks gets somewhat close to Imu he might grow his am back and ofc be under Imu's control
Shanks only had the shallow sea contract meaning he was able to decode his.arm.being taken since he wasn't close to Imu at that time. Now that the tattoo is gone the contract is meaningless
 
#25
So because of the Deep Sea Contract, Harald slowly ended up getting turned evil.

Not being possessed or being domi reverse, just simply turned evil, that would explain Gunko as well, she used to be good in the past but now that she is under Imu, she is now evil.

Oh no don't tell me that some of the Elders and Holy Knights used to be good, but because of the Deep Sea Contract and Abyss Contract, they are now evil.
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I hope that is not the case for all them, I don't want to suddenly turn out that Garling or Saturn in the past used to be good guys, but because of Imu, they are now evil.:mihugh:
 
#26
Ngl, the deep covenant forcefully attuning your personality towards unquestionable Imu worship as a result of just one attempt to resist it... That's very clearly setup for Gunko's whole thing. I guess that also brings some room for speculation in terms of any other HKs being slightly less horrible before attaining it.

Only Gunko and Shamrock won't be so evil. Brook will free Gunko from Imu with the power of love.
I think Shamrock warned Shanks about Imu.
 
#27
So because of the Deep Sea Contract, Harald slowly ended up getting turned evil.

Not being possessed or being domi reverse, just simply turned evil, that would explain Gunko as well, she used to be good in the past but now that she is under Imu, she is now evil.

Oh no don't tell me that some of the Elders and Holy Knights used to be good, but because of the Deep Sea Contract and Abyss Contract, they are now evil.
:whitepress:

I hope that is not the case for all them, I don't want to suddenly turn out that Garling or Saturn in the past used to be good guys, but because of Imu, they are now evil.:mihugh:
Maffey pre-DSC was by far the kindest soul in the Holy Land. :pepeshy:



And even post-DSC she still is. :feelsokeman:
 

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#31
Well, If it was that easy, why would he lose his arm on purpose to begin with?

If he's still tied to Imu, but not affected as long as he stays away from the Holy Land, handicapping himself like that makes no sense.

I think there is more to it, we've yet to discover.
Or it's a simple retcon.
Him having the tattoo it's obviously a retcon i just don't think it's as simple as cutting the tattoo off and boom you're free
 
#32
A) It's the dumbest weakness ever
B) He could've told Gaban and Gaban would've sliced Sommer's arm but he didn't
What level of deepness is Sommer's tattoo again? i don't remember
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IIirc an editor wanted Oda to make Shanks lose his arm to make it more dramatic. The tattoos stuff is 1000% a retcon
Removing the arm for freeing himself of control is too extreme, he can just cut a chunk of the skin and let it grows back afterwards.
 

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#34
What level of deepness is Sommer's tattoo again? i don't remember
Even deeper than Harald's since his tattoo seems even more complex
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Great color spread and great chapter . Finally some Loki greatness .

I just hope Elbaf fruit is not Nika fruit and Loki trully eats it.
Loki is chained in seastone he def ate it
 

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#38
Then cutting off the arm might no longer be possible? Idk
I try not to read too deeply into newly introduced plot points these days because of Oda's track record of retconning and making mistakes.
At least the art is finished this time.
The whole key point of this flashback is because Gaban said " u need to learn how to use CoC " and Loki said " yeah i think u know what u are talking about lemme explain "

U really think we could've skipped all of that and turn them all into amputees ?

" Fk CoC just cut all of their arms and we're good "
 
#39
God's steel seems to be the lowest rank

God's knights are the middle rank

Elder Stars likely have the abyssal rank

Harald was given the God's steel rank, and this gave Imu enough ability to control him from a distance. The middle rank is the one where he can control you from anywhere because if he couldn't control the Holy Knights from anywhere it would be a problem. Shanks only took the lowest seal, and he warned Harald about going beyond that because then he wouldn't be able to escape Imu's influence even if he tried to.

We haven't actually seen many people with the God's Steel rank, so we should actually eventually see more of them. Prospective Holy Knights. It's possible Lucci could get one maybe. He is one of the only people with a dark philosophy, after all.
 
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#40
So because of the Deep Sea Contract, Harald slowly ended up getting turned evil.

Not being possessed or being domi reverse, just simply turned evil, that would explain Gunko as well, she used to be good in the past but now that she is under Imu, she is now evil.

Oh no don't tell me that some of the Elders and Holy Knights used to be good, but because of the Deep Sea Contract and Abyss Contract, they are now evil.
:whitepress:

I hope that is not the case for all them, I don't want to suddenly turn out that Garling or Saturn in the past used to be good guys, but because of Imu, they are now evil.:mihugh:
I think it happens when you disobey.
 
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