Chapter Discussion The people who say Harald let himself be killed are missing the point
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I’m not resistant to the idea that HK Harald was possibly diminished against Loki due to CoC attacks from Gaban and Shanks. But both Harald and Gaban themselves acknowledged that Loki was the only one on that island that could get the job done. Anybody arguing that Loki isnt at least Yonko level at this point are too pigheaded to engage with the story provided to them.
The only way this fight happens without being stacked in favor of Loki is Harald not calling him, then eating it for himself and hunting Loki down for a low diff. By trying to isolate the result in a vacuum you put power before plot, which is something Oda clearly never does
Dude is so allergic to scale that he literally has characters and objects change sizes between chapters
Dude is so allergic to scale that he literally has characters and objects change sizes between chapters
Hmmm well it really just depends on how exactly AdCoC counters the Holy Knights.
If AdCoC can straight up kill/beat them, then (fruited) Loki dominates Harald with no issues. If AdCoC can’t really beat them but can only impair their regen, then I guess Harald could eventually win, but it’s hard to see how if his body is destroyed and he can’t regen or has issues healing.
The overall power of the Holy Knights and Gorosei depends on the full extent of their regen.
If AdCoC can straight up kill/beat them, then (fruited) Loki dominates Harald with no issues. If AdCoC can’t really beat them but can only impair their regen, then I guess Harald could eventually win, but it’s hard to see how if his body is destroyed and he can’t regen or has issues healing.
The overall power of the Holy Knights and Gorosei depends on the full extent of their regen.
Not control, influence. Which is why this agenda is as dumb as any other.
If you say "bloodlusted" HK Harald vs DF Loki, Harald likely wins because he's holding himself back when we see him, has been worn down by Gaban and Shanks, and is facing a guy who doesn't know the importance of CoC vs regeneration. Who's stronger is clearly not a point Oda was making.
If you say "bloodlusted" HK Harald vs DF Loki, Harald likely wins because he's holding himself back when we see him, has been worn down by Gaban and Shanks, and is facing a guy who doesn't know the importance of CoC vs regeneration. Who's stronger is clearly not a point Oda was making.
Regen is the main factor but not the only one.
The Holy Knights and the elders have devil fruits,weapons and haki.
Even a guy like Sommers could protect himself to some extent against Gaban thanks to his haki and his fruit.
That's why Harald, Xebec and the elders are so strong. On top of the regen they can use conqueror coating,have legendary weapons and/or broken devil fruits.
First of all Harald threw his sword who was then stuck in Jarul's head, he didn't use CoC against Loki (seemed to have discovered that Loki was a conqueror few minutes before his death). On the other hand Loki just gained a legendary weapon and a legendary devil fruit.
People ignore the plot. Gaban, Shanks,Roger and Garp all managed to hurt Xebec and Harald.
None of them was allowed to strike against an opponent who conciously didn't defend against a devastating strike tough.
The Holy Knights and the elders have devil fruits,weapons and haki.
Even a guy like Sommers could protect himself to some extent against Gaban thanks to his haki and his fruit.
That's why Harald, Xebec and the elders are so strong. On top of the regen they can use conqueror coating,have legendary weapons and/or broken devil fruits.
First of all Harald threw his sword who was then stuck in Jarul's head, he didn't use CoC against Loki (seemed to have discovered that Loki was a conqueror few minutes before his death). On the other hand Loki just gained a legendary weapon and a legendary devil fruit.
People ignore the plot. Gaban, Shanks,Roger and Garp all managed to hurt Xebec and Harald.
None of them was allowed to strike against an opponent who conciously didn't defend against a devastating strike tough.
There's bad reading involved, but I will say that Oda is botching the display of Imu's powers. Which is typical I guess lol
Dorry and Brogy are under the influence and talk as corrupted versions of themselves. Servant girl is being controlled, Imu speaks directly through her and uses his abilities through her that she is unable to use herself. None of these three are conquerors
Xebec got a DR that controlled him. He had no speech at all as his will was completely opposed but his body did what Imu wanted.
Harald was influenced and spoke as a corrupt version of himself, although he was able to snap back here and there. Like Xebec he was an awakened conqueror but unlike Xebec he was knighted.
So four different situations but some fans can't seem to tell the difference.
Dorry and Brogy are under the influence and talk as corrupted versions of themselves. Servant girl is being controlled, Imu speaks directly through her and uses his abilities through her that she is unable to use herself. None of these three are conquerors
Xebec got a DR that controlled him. He had no speech at all as his will was completely opposed but his body did what Imu wanted.
Harald was influenced and spoke as a corrupt version of himself, although he was able to snap back here and there. Like Xebec he was an awakened conqueror but unlike Xebec he was knighted.
So four different situations but some fans can't seem to tell the difference.
This is what powerscaling obsessed readers can't get behind. The drama, the raw human emotion of a father who just realized he trusted the wrong people and asks to be killed by the only capable person currently available to stop the actual devil from turning his homeland into an army of slaves. And the son who has no choice but to end the life of the only person still alive that ever felt love for him.
